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MCalavera
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15 Jan 2014, 4:56 am

Been working on the following set of exercises:

https://www.khanacademy.org/math/recrea ... -puzzles-2

And haven't got a clue of how to go about solving the first problem I have. Does anyone here have tips I could use? When is the right time to use Rotate, Reflect, or Dilate?



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15 Jan 2014, 11:20 pm

Can't do it on my iPad, I'll switch to my other computer and try it.



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15 Jan 2014, 11:23 pm

Cool. I hope you manage to succeed in figuring this out as this has me teased big time and I must know how it's done. :P



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16 Jan 2014, 12:24 am

got the y right but the x wrong. still working on it. I'm doing the Dilation first. Going to try something different.



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16 Jan 2014, 3:40 am

Any luck? I don't mean to put pressure on you, but you're my only hope thus far. :oops:



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16 Jan 2014, 10:35 pm

:oops: I've been working on it up until I went to bed yesterday, and I couldn't fall asleep last night because of that thing. I don't think it's un-solvable, but I'm struggling with it. I get the y axis, but not the x, or I get the x axis but not the y.

Have you worked on it?

Edited to add - I clicked on it just now and it's a different (polygon) puzzle. Solved it with:Reflection over the line from (7,7) to (-3,-3)
Rotation by 90° about (0,0).



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17 Jan 2014, 12:28 am

Do you have a general system you use in trying to solve them? Or do you rely on luck?



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17 Jan 2014, 10:25 pm

I turn them around in my mind, so I guess the answer is luck mixed with visualization.

Here's something a little less tough, but still fun - it helps me unwind when I can't solve the more difficult puzzles. http://www3.amherst.edu/~nstarr/trom/puzzle-8by8/ -



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19 Jan 2014, 4:04 am

Hi, alpineglow. I finally cracked the first one I was given. Which one were you struggling with?

If it was the same problem, here is what I did:

Dilate 2 around (0, 0).
Rotate 180 degrees.
Reflect.
Dilate back to normal (it should say 1/2).
Reflect.
Rotate 180 degrees.
Dilate 2.
Rotate 180 degrees.
Reflect.
Scale to half.



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23 Jan 2014, 8:47 pm

Cool that you solved it. (it makes me feel better that you did because once I have a puzzle in my brain it nags at me until it's solved.) I've been back to that link but it brings up a different polygon puzzle than the first one I saw. I'll go back there and try what you said works - hope I end up at the right puzzle though.
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edited to add:
Whoa. It worked. I'll definitely sleep better now. How did you figure it out and how long did it take you if you don't mind?



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25 Jan 2014, 9:32 pm

You're stubborn like me then when it comes to puzzles and such.

How I managed to solve this one was basically a lot of trial and error, but there did come a point when the figure was somewhat "almost" matching the image that I thought that simply repeating the last few steps would do the trick. And it worked. Took me a few days to get it right.

There is one other problem that's trickier, though. And instead of using trial and error, what I did was code a program to help me solve the problem. When I finally got the code right, the program lagged a bit while running but eventually gave me the answer I was looking for. And so, if you're good with programming, you might want to use this as a method to solve any of the problems as well.

A couple of hints:

When you dilate, it should either be by 2 or by 1/2. Ignore all other numbers.

When you rotate, only focus on 90, 180, and 270.



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26 Jan 2014, 8:09 pm

I could've done it if I knew what I was trying to do.


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