Is Microsoft still a threat?
I'm wondering what you guys think of this. Now that Microsoft is under new leadership, and the current CEO doesn't seem to have any interest in destroying Linux, Google, or the free software movement, has Microsoft become a non-issue? So far Microsoft has had three CEOs. Bill Gates was the evil genius who put a PC in every home, but also exploited the system and knew how to fight mean. Steve Ballmer was also evil but totally incompetent; he was obsessed with destroying Linux and Google, but failed miserably at those goals. Satya Nadella is a computer geek who, unlike Ballmer, actually understands computers and cares about the advancement of technology, rather than just making money; he is the polar opposite of Steve Ballmer, possessing the ability to crush the open source movement, but not the desire. Given this, do you think Microsoft is still a threat? Or should we be focusing more on organizations like Facebook and the NSA with their violations of our privacy?
I think as soon as someone wraps iommu emulation on Linux up in a nice slick idiot proof installer with simple instructions and steps with a bow on top then Microsoft is screwed. Iommu is a method that allows virtual environments to talk to real hardware which solves a lot of gamer's need for Windows. As for the professional world, Linux is already a better solution then Windows and I think most people see this. I kinda suspect that Linux has more users then its market share suggest since you can't track how many people download and install Linux on their PC. Linux is also better for mobile and mobile is taking over the computer market anyway, the desktop which only businesses and enthusiast use at this point is kinda going to the way side for the everyday person. Most everyone I know uses a phone, tablet and laptop at this point. I only know a few people that use desktops.
So you will have the enthusiast gamers sold on iommu emulation and a way to play windows games on Linux, you have the average phone, tablet, and laptop user sold on Linux already, and the business world is moving away from windows already. My dad works for a technical company that is in the process of switching everything to Linux. So the way I see it Microsoft is screwed, I think the only people that will buy it at that point is the enthusiast gamer who wants to play games in a virtual machine. That also prevents new versions from coming out or being relevant since steam and everything new will support Linux at that point.
Bill Gates is one of the biggest philantropists of all time and during his leadership (except for the last years), Microsoft were the only ones who made good operating systems for home computers (time to face the facts: Mac OS Classic sucked). The truth is that no Windows versions will ever be as good for their time as Windows 95 and XP were, and given that OS X is better than Windows 10 (giving the people the classic start menu back doesn't improve anything when the rest of the system is a disaster), hopefully Microsoft will feel the pressure from Apple.
As far as Linux goes for gaming, Steam OS is a disaster as well, and the Linux kernel itself doesn't work well with gaming. Having said that, many Linux distros today (Ununtu is not one of them) are better for everyday uses than Windows 10 is (the only exception is gaming).
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"Embrace, Extend, Extinguish" is still very much alive & I would venture to say we will see that play out in the cross mingling with Linux. And while Gates & Monkey Boy may no longer be sitting in the big seat, Nadella has turned out to be sexist *and* has refocused the company from being the maker of operating systems and application suites to one that is primarily concerned with tracking your every keystroke. If anything, the corporation has become far less transparent, in part via the tracking but also in little things like pushing Win 10 so hard, not letting small & medium IT depts know what's in the fixes, and so on...
I'd say that the only arena MS is not still a threat - and really, never was - is phone OS's.
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So you will have the enthusiast gamers sold on iommu emulation and a way to play windows games on Linux, you have the average phone, tablet, and laptop user sold on Linux already, and the business world is moving away from windows already. My dad works for a technical company that is in the process of switching everything to Linux. So the way I see it Microsoft is screwed, I think the only people that will buy it at that point is the enthusiast gamer who wants to play games in a virtual machine. That also prevents new versions from coming out or being relevant since steam and everything new will support Linux at that point.
Doesn't IOMMU emulation still rely on Windows though? If someone came up with an idiot-proof way to run Windows programs without Windows on Linux, it probably wouldn't even have to rely on virtualization, unless say something like ReactOS was used.
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So you will have the enthusiast gamers sold on iommu emulation and a way to play windows games on Linux, you have the average phone, tablet, and laptop user sold on Linux already, and the business world is moving away from windows already. My dad works for a technical company that is in the process of switching everything to Linux. So the way I see it Microsoft is screwed, I think the only people that will buy it at that point is the enthusiast gamer who wants to play games in a virtual machine. That also prevents new versions from coming out or being relevant since steam and everything new will support Linux at that point.
Doesn't IOMMU emulation still rely on Windows though? If someone came up with an idiot-proof way to run Windows programs without Windows on Linux, it probably wouldn't even have to rely on virtualization, unless say something like ReactOS was used.
Yeah but as Windows loses more and more popularity to the SteamOS, Chrome Book, and the Mobile market and as more and more stuff is released for Linux; Windows will become deprecated and no one will buy the newer versions. They'll just run old legacy Windows apps in a virtual machine because everything else new works on Linux at that point. I don't plan on buying another version of Windows with iommu emulation and I bet a lot of people feel that way who were forced to use Windows for whatever. No new version means no new profit. If Microsoft loses the mass compatibility aspect of their operating system, they are doomed. Worse still that Linux is almost fully evolved and its free, Microsoft can't beat free. If I am buying a new computer and I can save over $100 on the OS and I only lose 1% of compatibility, which one do you think I am going to go with?
I got luck since I am Windows 7 user, I get 10 free but honestly there is nothing Windows 7 can't do for me and I am considering installing it from my original disk and not upgrading.
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Absolutely everything about existence is a potential threat.
Even if previous generations were trust-worthy with infra-structures that they had built for the benefit of society, that is no guarantee that following generations of decision-makers will be wise, nor does it guarantee that they are not a plant or mole or spy or some sort of covert double-agent who has a mission of infiltrating then sabotaging an entire population/country.
I actually had a lot of trust in Google back in the day, but knowing that the captain and crew will not always be the same people, I am forced to come to terms with the fact that absolutely anything and everything can become... highly... potentially... threateningly... dangerous...
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I'll believe they have no interest in eradicating Linux when SecureBoot is no longer present on PC hardware.
Microsoft is more of a threat than ever and it seems that they're finally showing their true colours through their Windows 10 harassment campaign.
Linux may not be up to speed with Windows when it comes to current gen gaming but it more than holds its own with older games (1995-2005) through Wine. In some cases, it can even run games that Windows 7 users have trouble with.
Microsoft is more of a threat than ever and it seems that they're finally showing their true colours through their Windows 10 harassment campaign.
Linux may not be up to speed with Windows when it comes to current gen gaming but it more than holds its own with older games (1995-2005) through Wine. In some cases, it can even run games that Windows 7 users have trouble with.
This is true. Wine works a lot better than compatibility mode does.
A problem with Linux is the latency in the kernel, though. It doesn't matter for slow-paced games like Command & Conquer, but it's a pain in the ass in racing games (a handful of these have aged well).
Windows 10 is the real-life equivalent of Skynet.
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You know what would really give a good middle finger to Micro$oft? If Valve integrated WINE into SteamOS and the Linux versions of Steam. In its current state I honestly think WINE is a joke, but with Valve backing it the way they've been backing Linux itself, I believe they could turn it into one hella nice piece of software.
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The only drawback is that Steam OS itself is a disaster and a huge flop. A purpose-built gaming OS should be built on FreeBSD and not Linux. Wine works fine unless you need more advanced graphics than DirectX 9.0c, but it might need some tweaking and some extra drivers and librarier might need to be installed (i.e. it won't necessarily work perfectly out of the box).
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Not sure if Microsoft can be considered a threat per se more than anyone else in the IT business nowadays, given the business model. Of course I wouldn't include an outfit like FSF.
Microsoft is actually under-appreciated, since the 80s they have always been the geeky kid everybody bullies. To this day, every new Microsoft product attracts a swarm of trolls and haters the moment its release becomes public, in contrast to the way the press drools over anything new out of Apple. I have been using Windows 10 since its release on my Toshiba laptop and am completely satisfied (really!). It's possible if you have problems with Windows 10, it's due to a quirk in your hardware - Windows (like Android) runs on a limitless set of hardware and invariably some are better than others.
In fact, if anybody is a threat it's Apple because they brazenly try to monopolize every market they enter and destroy the competition - it is my impression they would like our lives to depend on them completely.
Some things I admire them for:
Continuity. Before Windows, you just had MS-DOS which was a command-line OS that the average person couldn't even use without some training. From that point in history (early 80s) they have progressed to what you have now, and AFAIK any software written from that time forward will run on any Windows machine built since (except maybe the Windows RT platform). Unlike Apple where at some point you would have to throw out your old software. I may not be 100% right about this, but it's true AFAIK.
For years, they resisted marketing any hardware of their own, so Windows, Microsoft Office, etc. had to run well enough on their customers' hardware to maintain market share going forward.
They have tried to appeal to the everyday working class person as well as business, etc. Given they were never the cool kids in the neighborhood, they have basically ceded the urban sophisticate market to Apple but have been welcoming to working moms, skaters, telemarketers, whoever just needs to get work done and enjoy some gaming and web surfing.
Not sure if this strictly addresses the original question, but was an enjoyable rant.
As for mobile, although I have never used a Windows Phone, I suspect that platform could easily stand against the two leading ones however because never thought cool, there has been very little app development for it, otherwise I might own one by now.
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I believe one of the main reasons Steam OS has flopped is because Valve has never bothered to do anything about its incompatibility with Windows titles. Running the Windows version of Steam on Linux IS possible, but it's a pain in the ass to set up, and if you want to run any games natively for better performance, you end up having two different Steam clients installed, one of which can't properly integrate with the OS.
Graphics drivers are another huge factor, and the main reasons why Linux has poorer graphics drivers than Windows are A. GPU manufacturers don't want to open up their trade secrets to make proper open source drivers, and B. Linux isn't as popular as Windows, therefore the developers don't want to make drivers for it. Ironically, if they actually put in the effort to make better drivers, than Linux would become more popular, and it would become more worth their while to make good Linux drivers.
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The official System Shock 2 release for Linux uses wine inside the steam directory. The problem with wine is regressions, for almost every piece of software there is a version of wine that would probably work if you tried hard enough. So if you could have some type of version control for wine on steam then it could possibly work out. Use the best version of wine for each piece of software, so I disagree Wine is very usable in its current state, there are just too many different versions of said working state. If valve did more testing and version management, then wine would succeed because that is all wine needs. The likely hood that one version of wine will work the same as windows is not possible because of the way wine is written and the closed source nature of window's libraries.
Its already a hella nice piece of software from a technical stand point, wine is not windows and they have actually done an awesome job getting the most software to work on one version. This is a graph of each release and the compatibility between them with the top row being perfectly compatible and the bottom row being not working at all with everything in between. They have done extremely well consider how wine is written and then level of reverse engineering required to pull off such a feat.
I believe one of the main reasons Steam OS has flopped is because Valve has never bothered to do anything about its incompatibility with Windows titles. Running the Windows version of Steam on Linux IS possible, but it's a pain in the ass to set up, and if you want to run any games natively for better performance, you end up having two different Steam clients installed, one of which can't properly integrate with the OS.
Graphics drivers are another huge factor, and the main reasons why Linux has poorer graphics drivers than Windows are A. GPU manufacturers don't want to open up their trade secrets to make proper open source drivers, and B. Linux isn't as popular as Windows, therefore the developers don't want to make drivers for it. Ironically, if they actually put in the effort to make better drivers, than Linux would become more popular, and it would become more worth their while to make good Linux drivers.
AMD already has proprietary drivers, and so does Nvidia. These share a lot of codebase with the Windows equivalents. The open-source drivers for AMD are also inferior to the proprietary drivers. Even if Linux became popular, kernel latency is a problem for gaming. Moreover, Steam OS needs 4 GB of ram just to keep background processes running. Valve bit of more than they could chew, and won't admit defeat.
Linux is already popular, and the same goes for FreeBSD (everytime you play a Playstation game or watching something on Netflix, you're using FreeBSD). Neither are popular for personal computers, though.
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The official System Shock 2 release for Linux uses wine inside the steam directory. The problem with wine is regressions, for almost every piece of software there is a version of wine that would probably work if you tried hard enough. So if you could have some type of version control for wine on steam then it could possibly work out. Use the best version of wine for each piece of software, so I disagree Wine is very usable in its current state, there are just too many different versions of said working state. If valve did more testing and version management, then wine would succeed because that is all wine needs. The likely hood that one version of wine will work the same as windows is not possible because of the way wine is written and the closed source nature of window's libraries.
Its already a hella nice piece of software from a technical stand point, wine is not windows and they have actually done an awesome job getting the most software to work on one version. This is a graph of each release and the compatibility between them with the top row being perfectly compatible and the bottom row being not working at all with everything in between. They have done extremely well consider how wine is written and then level of reverse engineering required to pull off such a feat.

Considering that WINE isn't an emulator in the same sense as DosBox and that it's merely a compatibility layer, it's an amazing tool.
I still find it amazing that the developers are able to mimic Windows without having the source code.
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