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05 Jun 2009, 7:20 pm

Is everything in the physical plane arranged by rules? What about things in the future?


I was just thinking that everything in the physical plane behaves according to rules that humans can't unlock. For example, there are no such thing as a coincidence. Things are already arranged, but they are too complex for humans to unlock. Everything is a theory.



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05 Jun 2009, 9:34 pm

You might enjoy learning about karma. Not the superficial, superstitious version, but the one that goes something like...

Karma is a special law of cause and effect that specifically applies to a deluded sentient being's mental environment.

You'll have to tease out the logical, intelligent stuff from many traditional Buddhist texts, but it works for me.

Of course, you are completely right in that it's so complicated one can't figure out all the various permutations of a single action or its effects, but it's a system that makes sense. It's not random or happenstance, we can influence our future experiences.



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06 Jun 2009, 12:42 am

knowledgeiskey wrote:
Is everything in the physical plane arranged by rules? What about things in the future?


I was just thinking that everything in the physical plane behaves according to rules that humans can't unlock. For example, there are no such thing as a coincidence. Things are already arranged, but they are too complex for humans to unlock. Everything is a theory.


I had an idea like this after someone in irc asked me how could an all powerful god could exist at the same time as freewill.

I think i said something like this

God precreates(Made up word?) all humans beings souls and there freewill.

then he puts all the decisions they would face in life before them and they make there decisions.

then god creates the big bang setting it off so that all the choices are made as each human being made them.

this however would mean that intelligence is an illusion and its purpose is to bring the decisions to manifest?(does that make sense.)

as to how this relates to your question the rules would refer to how god would have set the big bang.

and well the belief in universal rules imply s the belief in someone or something that set those rules.(other wise its just coincidence)

i think o may have went on a tangent if so sorry.



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06 Jun 2009, 1:34 am

...except for women and cats...yes....j/k..;)

physics has rules, etiquette has rules, even the road has rules, but getting people to follow them...is another matter...;)



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06 Jun 2009, 9:04 am

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how could an all powerful god could exist at the same time as freewill.


That question has been argued by theologians for centuries...
For me, it's right up there with the question... if God is good and all powerful, how come he created evil? If it's just one of his inventions run amok, then he's not so all powerful after all. If it's not, but rather deliberate, then he's one sick and twisted soul.

That is another question the theologians have been banging their gums about for centuries.

The notion of a creator god overseeing the universe just does not work for me. I'd rather put my faith in physics.



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06 Jun 2009, 9:11 am

DonkeyBuster wrote:
The notion of a creator god overseeing the universe just does not work for me. I'd rather put my faith in physics.

You make it sound as if God and physics contradict each other....


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06 Jun 2009, 9:28 am

For me they do. I can't buy into the idea that God created the laws of physics. I know some folks do, and that's fine for them. It just doesn't work for me.



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06 Jun 2009, 12:41 pm

DonkeyBuster wrote:
For me they do. I can't buy into the idea that God created the laws of physics. I know some folks do, and that's fine for them. It just doesn't work for me.

Fair enough... as long as we can agree to disagree, I guess I won't get out my argument gloves.


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06 Jun 2009, 1:21 pm

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Fair enough... as long as we can agree to disagree, I guess I won't get out my argument gloves.


:) Oh, please don't. I really am not into that at all; there are too many other things I'm interested in [passionately] to try to convince everyone to believe the way I do.

What matters to me is that whatever one believes helps one become more a help to the world than a harm... there's enough of that around already.

As the Dalai Lama says, "My religion is kindness." Now, that REALLY works for me. :D



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06 Jun 2009, 4:09 pm

Assuming that the laws of physics basically governs everything, like me not floating away as I sit in my chair. If you can just work out what is coming, using physics does that not constitute seeing into the future. I suppose in a similar way to predicting the weather using satellites, if we could do the mathematics to work out when one's neighbour is most likely to go to a certain supermarket, one could stand at the entrance to the shop at the precise time one's calculations say he will be there, in the same way as you plan your day around being inside when you know it is going to rain. This is not the best example but it is just showing how applied maths, or physics whatever you want to call it, to a certain extent and with great thought allows us to predict the future. I think it is powerful stuff anyway.