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01 Sep 2010, 9:09 pm

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Cloverfield

Pulp Fiction

An American Werewolf in London

Speed

Face/Off

The Shawshank Redemption

Scarface

Animal House

The Royal Tenenbaums

Dances with Wolves

Chicago

Duplicity

American Beauty

As Good as it Gets


I can agree with most of these, but An American Werewolf in London is a masterpiece!



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02 Sep 2010, 3:23 pm

I don't understand why so many people hate Forrest Gump!

Come on people, it's amazing and fun to watch.


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03 Sep 2010, 5:36 pm

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The Shrek Series
Star Wars Episode 3
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby
The Twilight Series



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03 Sep 2010, 9:10 pm

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The Shrek Series
Star Wars Episode 3
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby
The Twilight Series


agreed w/ most, but shrek 2 is amazing



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05 Sep 2010, 5:31 pm

Most people here are not really talking about overrated films, they are talking about films that are currently popular but not considered good by any means.

Lets make a list of the worst offenders:

- The Godfather 1, 2
- Anything highly praised by Nolan
- Anything highly priased by Tarantino
- Most of Scorsese
- All of Spielberg
- Casablanca
- Citizen Kane and most of Welles
- Bergman, the most overrated filmmaker in history
- De Sica
- Hitchcock's "Vertigo" is overrated, though he is one of the better American filmmakers
- Coens
- Shawshank Redemption
- Shamefully I have to mention David Fincher, although he is so terrible that it is difficult
- etc.....

EDIT: Forgot to mention Aronofsky



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05 Sep 2010, 8:29 pm

Free-Hinter-System wrote:
Most people here are not really talking about overrated films, they are talking about films that are currently popular but not considered good by any means.

Lets make a list of the worst offenders:

- The Godfather 1, 2
- Anything highly praised by Nolan
- Anything highly priased by Tarantino
- Most of Scorsese
- All of Spielberg
- Casablanca
- Citizen Kane and most of Welles
- Bergman, the most overrated filmmaker in history
- De Sica
- Hitchcock's "Vertigo" is overrated, though he is one of the better American filmmakers
- Coens
- Shawshank Redemption
- Shamefully I have to mention David Fincher, although he is so terrible that it is difficult
- etc.....

EDIT: Forgot to mention Aronofsky


Hitchcock... American...? :o

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06 Sep 2010, 10:02 am

Free-Hinter-System wrote:
Most people here are not really talking about overrated films, they are talking about films that are currently popular but not considered good by any means.

Lets make a list of the worst offenders:

- The Godfather 1, 2
- Anything highly praised by Nolan
- Anything highly priased by Tarantino
- Most of Scorsese
- All of Spielberg
- Casablanca
- Citizen Kane and most of Welles
- Bergman, the most overrated filmmaker in history
- De Sica
- Hitchcock's "Vertigo" is overrated, though he is one of the better American filmmakers
- Coens
- Shawshank Redemption
- Shamefully I have to mention David Fincher, although he is so terrible that it is difficult
- etc.....

EDIT: Forgot to mention Aronofsky


I know I shouldn't respond to the toll, but...

While I will agree that many of the film makers you list above are highly rated, it think it is mostly due to their having made one or more exceedingly good films. The problem when a person writes up a list of films or film makers whose work they feel is over rated is it tends to be biased toward their preferences rather than a careful assessment of the quality of a film in relationship to how well that film is received.

Many of the films you list above may seem over rated to someone who is still quite young and does not have much experience in life. Perhaps it would be more accurate to state these are the films for which I don't understand the appeal. Obviously the films and film makers you list are highly regarded by some people and have been for some time. Ingmar Bergman, for example, has made many films that, when I was young, I found bewilderingly incomprehensible, but as I have grown older, I have come to understand what he was talking about. Bergman was not making films for 17 year olds and that may be one of the reasons they don't do much for you.

And as much as I generally dislike Speilberg's films, I also recognize that he is an exceptionally good film maker. "Raiders of the Lost Arc" is a highly entertaining film. And I can recognize his skill even in films I do not like by him.

Obviously the films and film makers you list are not to your tastes. This is a completely valid statement. There is no reason why you should be made to watch those films. My point, however is that it might be more accurate to say you don't understand why these films are rated so highly rather than to imply that those who find value in them must be delusional.

I guess the reason why I bother to respond is that you suggest that while other people are just talking about films that were never good to begin with, you, more than others, know what is truely over rated. You then go on to list quite a few films and film makers that are regarded highly and for which one can make solid, well reasoned arguments why these film makers have done work that commands respect.

I guess what would be interesting to see is your arguments for why these films and film makers are over rated.


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06 Sep 2010, 2:04 pm

Bergman made only one good film in his career.



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06 Sep 2010, 2:05 pm

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Hitchcock... American...? :o

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Yes. He is a hollywood filmmaker.



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06 Sep 2010, 2:18 pm

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Bergman made only one good film in his career.


And that would be...?


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06 Sep 2010, 2:25 pm

Free-Hinter-System wrote:
Bergman made only one good film in his career.




An explanation is necessary for such a wild claim.



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06 Sep 2010, 3:01 pm

jagatai wrote:
Free-Hinter-System wrote:
Bergman made only one good film in his career.


And that would be...?


that would be...irrelevant.



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06 Sep 2010, 3:13 pm

One word: WALL-E.



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06 Sep 2010, 3:19 pm

Free-Hinter-System wrote:
jagatai wrote:
Free-Hinter-System wrote:
Bergman made only one good film in his career.


And that would be...?


that would be...irrelevant.




I guess, my question is then, how is any of this relevant? And what is it relevant too?



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06 Sep 2010, 3:24 pm

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I guess, my question is then, how is any of this relevant? And what is it relevant too?


Regardless of the question about what Bergman's good film is called, he remains one of the most overrated filmmakers in history. It is relevant to the thread.



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06 Sep 2010, 3:41 pm

So if i start a thread with the question: what is bergman's only good film and why do you think he is overrated, would you respond?