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17 Sep 2007, 2:33 am

I've got the book, but haven't read it yet.

I did see the movie. I agree that I was struck with how much stereotyping was done to promote the image of people with very 'eccentric' behaviour.

I don't like that in a movie especially when it is supposed to be dealing with a real human condition.

Another movie I watched in the last year that did the same thing is, "TransAmerica".
It is about a Transwoman (genetic male transitioning to live in a female gender role).
At that time, I was very involved in the local trans community and working through my own issues surrounding this.

The main character overplays his/her femininity to the point that it was clownish.
Every Transwoman I know pre and post-op tries very hard to appear the same as any 'normal' female.
They don't stand out like Felicity Huffman (or whatever her name is).
That movie sucked for me.

Mozart and the Whale was similarly disappointing in the message it conveyed, but beyond the social message I like it.


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17 Sep 2007, 1:15 pm

I find it a shame for those who didn't like the movie. You're missing something, SPOKANE!! !!


And, the movie was based on two people in real life. Does that mean you dislike Jerry Newport and his wife? I'd assume thats how their personalities are like in real life since the two charactees were based on them and that's how they really act. Read the book and you will see connections in it with the movie but it was a lot different because it talks about their life styles and their childhoods.



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17 Sep 2007, 10:20 pm

likedcalico wrote:
I find it a shame for those who didn't like the movie. You're missing something, SPOKANE!! !!


And, the movie was based on two people in real life. Does that mean you dislike Jerry Newport and his wife? I'd assume thats how their personalities are like in real life since the two charactees were based on them and that's how they really act. Read the book and you will see connections in it with the movie but it was a lot different because it talks about their life styles and their childhoods.


I have the book but I'm not reading it yet.

I seem to recall the movie being 'loosely' based upon their lives.
I'm sure once I read the book, it will all become clear to me! :D


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27 Sep 2007, 3:35 pm

likedcalico wrote:
And, the movie was based on two people in real life. Does that mean you dislike Jerry Newport and his wife?


How would I know if I like the real people, who I have never met? Actors can't portray them exactly. But I only dislike Radha. Josh Hartnets character I thought was great, but Radha Mitchell ruined it. If it had just been a story about Hartnett, it could have been good.

But if the real "Isabelle" is exactly like the one in the movie, yes, I would dislike her of course. Don't take it personally. There are many people in the world that I dislike.



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27 Sep 2007, 5:26 pm

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She came onto the screen very obnoxious, but I simply assumed that this would be part of her character development, and that she would show a level of depth that would gradually warm the viewers heart. But instead, she got more and more shallow as the movie went on, from pressuring sex on the very first date, to forcing him into a job he didn't want so that she could control him. And on top of all this was an annoying HAH laugh, which I would have forgiven once or twice as an anomaly, but it was her real, normal laugh. And I didn't feel chemistry or connection, I just felt her wanting to have sex and control this guy.


I guess you'd just have to go over to Aspergian Island or some other sites and talk to Jerry Newport about it (aka. TheWhale). From what I've heard though it sounds about right, maybe not exactly how she was but similarly messed up IRL and brought the majority of the relationship issues.



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27 Sep 2007, 6:08 pm

It was kind of a stupid movie. But considering it was the first ever movie focusing on some AS people (let alone in a romantic relationship), it wasn't bad. It could have been much worse, and plot aside, Hartnett and Mitchell gave good performances.



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27 Sep 2007, 6:16 pm

I didn't really like the movie because there was no story. Think about it. Don't most good movies have plots? The closest thing to a plot was the relationship aspect. There wasn't enough complexity in the development of the relationship on screen to constitute a strong plot, however.

The book was good, however.


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27 Sep 2007, 10:38 pm

It was better than "Snow Cake."



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28 Sep 2007, 1:51 pm

Veresae wrote:
It was better than "Snow Cake."


I haven't seen that yet.


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28 Sep 2007, 4:17 pm

Did alex double post. 8O ^^

I haven't seen the movie yet, and judging by the name of the thread it sounds like I might be recommended not to see it.


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28 Sep 2007, 6:28 pm

Hey
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29 Sep 2007, 1:11 pm

Hey, I don't think Mozart and the Whale is a perfect portrayal of Asperger's either. But hey, they have to start somewhere, and just as we Aspies don't get social situations right the first time around and keep having to work our way up to "perfection", so to speak, it's the same story with neurotypicals portraying and seeking to give an acurate picture of Asperger's. And they had to start somewhere. Just give the people some time, and the benefit of the doubt, and given enough time, they'll do better next time. Remember all the trouble we have socially, well, neurotypicals have the same type of trouble knowing how to give a clear and understandable picture of Asperger's too.