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12 Oct 2010, 10:03 pm

So for those unfamiliar, parenthood is about a bunch of yuppie parents and their kids. One set has a kid, eight or ten, who as been diagnosed with Aspergers. The diagnoses has been kept from him, for whatever reason.

What has me made is how Asperger's is being treated not as an atypical condition, nor are they taking the steps to get him behavioral/cognitive treatment EARLY to better equip him with the skills to function and cope. Instead, it is being treated practically like a terminal illness which they are determined to keep from him for god knows how long. And meanwhile, the parents go to group therapy for parents of aspies, talking about how hard it is and yadda, yadda, yadda.

God, what selfish pricks. Talk about YOUR problems? How about focusing on your damn kid? They're trying to protect him, and from what? It's not a terminal illness. It is not a death sentence. It is a condition. And through their fear, they are doing this kid more harm by delaying meaningful responses to the condition, and worsening the shock.

I get so fed up with these shows and movies. If they depict autism spectrum at all, is it almost always as some crippling, pitiable defect. Pulease!



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12 Oct 2010, 10:51 pm

The yuppie drama on this show is so irritating and unsympathetic. It's why I quit watching this after a few episodes.



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12 Oct 2010, 11:11 pm

I'm watching the second season of it and yes, they got lots of early intervention for Max. I like how the show will focus on the parent's excessive worry for a while and then suddenly show a different side of it that puts everything into a different perspective and shows that they parents are trying but just don't "get it."

Like a week or two ago, the dad was upset with one of the home-visit therapists because she was "just doing his homework with him" and not teaching him how to pay attention to the all-important and most wonderful dad. Okay, I can see dad's point: he wants to connect with his kid. But what is he offering Max? Max doesn't want to watch baseball with dad, Max doesn't like dad's music, Max couldn't care less what dad does at work at the shoe factory.

Dad doesn't realize that he has to meet Max half-way; he wants it to be all on his own turf and so he's upset with the therapist for not training Max to like him. And even his wife sees how silly the whole thing is and tells dad "he's not some trained monkey that we can just tell what to like and who to want to spend time with."

At the end of the episode, dad makes a major breakthrough with Max by straight out telling Max that he feels left out and wants to be Max's friend and talk about stuff together. So they end up talking about pirates -- something Max loves a lot.

I don't like that they haven't told Max about his asperger's, even though he's asked very leading questions twice now (and the doctor said to tell him when he asks and he's asked now but his parents can't deal with it. I'm waiting for the fallout in a later season when Max finds out and realizes that everyone but him knew for several years and gets really pissed. I really hope they do write it that way!) And I don't like the huge support near the end of season 1 for Autism Speaks as if it were the only option out there for people wanting to help those with autism and their families.

But by and large, I think "Parenthood" is the most realistic depiction of asperger's and the family dynamics that go along with diagnosis in most cases than any other show on TV. There have been a lot of REALLY lousy depictions of asperger's on television and I think it's nice to see such a realistic and human depiction as "Parenthood."


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13 Oct 2010, 9:32 am

The show's really such a let down. I keep hoping for it to get better, but it doesn't. I think to dynamic with Max is fairly realistic though. If you're looking for a more positive depiction of a child with AS you should check out "The Middle." I don't know of anyone else who even watches this show. It's not exactly edgy or high-drama, but I find it amusing. I don't think the kid, Brick, has been officially diagnosed, but it's quite evident. It's on Wednesdays at 8PM (eastern) before Modern Family.



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13 Oct 2010, 10:54 am

Thanks, I'll check out "The Middle." Season 1 is available on Netflix so I should be able to start watching it in about a week. (I don't have broadcast television. I watch all shows through Netflix or Hulu.)

My favorite Asperger's character right now (even though the show is sit-com-y and hyperbolic so the character isn't super-realistic) is Abed on "Community." They reveal his Asperger's early on and make references to it a handful of times scattered through the showm but don't really make a big deal of it. I was pleased to see that Harmon made Abed an interesting character that people like and who has self-confidence and stands up for himself. His special interest is film and TV and so he's often used to make fourth-wall-breaking comments that are hilarious. One episode focused on him feeling he didn't connect with people as well as he'd like, but mainly he doesn't dwell on being different.


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13 Oct 2010, 11:53 am

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The show's really such a let down. I keep hoping for it to get better, but it doesn't. I think to dynamic with Max is fairly realistic though. If you're looking for a more positive depiction of a child with AS you should check out "The Middle." I don't know of anyone else who even watches this show. It's not exactly edgy or high-drama, but I find it amusing. I don't think the kid, Brick, has been officially diagnosed, but it's quite evident. It's on Wednesdays at 8PM (eastern) before Modern Family.


God, I HATE The Middle...I just find the overexaggeration and pushing in our faces how "quirky
everyone is to be very annoying. The characterizations are just too over the top for my comfort.



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13 Oct 2010, 12:41 pm

I like Parenthood but I understand it's a show about a family not about an aspie.



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13 Oct 2010, 1:22 pm

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I like Parenthood but I understand it's a show about a family not about an aspie.


Same here. I started watching it because of the Asperger's topic -- I like to try to stay in touch as much as possible with what the media (both fictional and non-fictional) is saying about us so I have some idea of what sort of things people might be thinking if I disclose my own Asperger's. But I got really interested in the whole family and would probably keep watching it even if they wrote Max out of the story for some reason.


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13 Oct 2010, 3:27 pm

I can't stand watching "The Middle" both because of the hammy acting, but also because their youngest, the child prodigy, is so damn creepy with his big head and black eyes. Has anyone else noticed this? Looks like an evil version of the inbred banjo player from "Deliverance"!



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13 Oct 2010, 10:30 pm

Sparrowrose wrote:
I'm watching the second season of it and yes, they got lots of early intervention for Max. I like how the show will focus on the parent's excessive worry for a while and then suddenly show a different side of it that puts everything into a different perspective and shows that they parents are trying but just don't "get it."

Like a week or two ago, the dad was upset with one of the home-visit therapists because she was "just doing his homework with him" and not teaching him how to pay attention to the all-important and most wonderful dad. Okay, I can see dad's point: he wants to connect with his kid. But what is he offering Max? Max doesn't want to watch baseball with dad, Max doesn't like dad's music, Max couldn't care less what dad does at work at the shoe factory.

Dad doesn't realize that he has to meet Max half-way; he wants it to be all on his own turf and so he's upset with the therapist for not training Max to like him. And even his wife sees how silly the whole thing is and tells dad "he's not some trained monkey that we can just tell what to like and who to want to spend time with."

At the end of the episode, dad makes a major breakthrough with Max by straight out telling Max that he feels left out and wants to be Max's friend and talk about stuff together. So they end up talking about pirates -- something Max loves a lot.

I don't like that they haven't told Max about his asperger's, even though he's asked very leading questions twice now (and the doctor said to tell him when he asks and he's asked now but his parents can't deal with it. I'm waiting for the fallout in a later season when Max finds out and realizes that everyone but him knew for several years and gets really pissed. I really hope they do write it that way!) And I don't like the huge support near the end of season 1 for Autism Speaks as if it were the only option out there for people wanting to help those with autism and their families.

But by and large, I think "Parenthood" is the most realistic depiction of asperger's and the family dynamics that go along with diagnosis in most cases than any other show on TV. There have been a lot of REALLY lousy depictions of asperger's on television and I think it's nice to see such a realistic and human depiction as "Parenthood."


A co-worker told me about Parenthood after she saw an episode on an airplane. She told me to watch an episode and let her know what I thought. I did. I watched the episode where Max's father has trouble connecting with him. I never knew that his parents did not tell him that he had AS. The dillemma that Max's parents were going through is what I went through with my parents. I was diagnosed at age 6 but not told by my parents until I was 8 or 9. They told me at the most random time, during a 60 Minutes story on kids with Williams Syndrome attending a music camp and having great musical abilities. My mom told me in a matter of fact sort of way and I felt mad years afterward that my mother would lump me in with other people who have a visible, mental disability and compare me to them. Max's parents do not want to tell him because they probably want him to be 'normal'. I did not realize that until about a year ago. My mother was told by my elementary school that I would not graduate. She did everything she could to make sure I did. That included not telling me I had Aspergers. Sometimes I wish I never knew. Max's parents don't want him to go down the road that so many of us Aspies go down when we find out: suicide, anxiety and depression. If Max thinks he is normal, he will not have these feelings. Sadly, this show is only fiction, not reality. Sooner or later, you will know. But, I agree a great depection of what SOME people with AS are like. When I was Max's age, I didn't know when to shut up. I appreciate showing the parent's emotions as well. I will definately watching because I like all the characters.



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19 Oct 2010, 9:33 am

I lost intrest very quickly. I found it hard to follow. I lost intrest all together after I found out Autism Speaks sponsored it. That's like the Nazi's sponsoring Avatar and Rugrats. Anyway, why do all shows with an autistic character have to protray them as a depressing burden even if Autism Speaks isn't affilated with them? I personaly think Cale from Titan A.E. is a good example of someone with AS or at least how I'd like to see AS characters protrayed.


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19 Oct 2010, 10:04 am

I think the kid on the show is more autistic than AS.



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19 Oct 2010, 4:26 pm

SadAspy wrote:
I think the kid on the show is more autistic than AS.


AS is autism.

That said, why do you think he's not AS?


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20 Oct 2010, 6:00 pm

The first season of Parenthood was good, but I stopped watching it this season. The episode about how Max loves pirates and Dad gives up his selfish desire to have him stop with the dang pirates was last season. That was good and I enjoyed it. It looks like they fine-tuned a few storylines to make it more "dramatic" like reality TV. The characters have gotten more selfish and needy and whining. I turned it off at some episode about canceling a little girl's playdate because the social drama was too much for her. The coddling of kids today are from another planet to this ole boy...



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20 Oct 2010, 6:16 pm

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The episode about how Max loves pirates and Dad gives up his selfish desire to have him stop with the dang pirates was last season.


The one I was talking about was this season. Dad still had problems because Max was more into his own stuff than dad's stuff.

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The characters have gotten more selfish and needy and whining. I turned it off at some episode about canceling a little girl's playdate because the social drama was too much for her. The coddling of kids today are from another planet to this ole boy...


What I appreciate about the show is that people *are* the awful, selfish, needy, whining creatures that are depicted on the show. I have learned a lot and come to realize a lot about my own parents and why they did the things they did from watching the show. Some shows I watch as much for social education as for entertainment and Parenthood is one of them. It is really helping me to understand a lot of things about people that I was pretty clueless about before.


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25 Oct 2010, 5:04 pm

Oh, not talking about the Steve Martin film then...