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01 Apr 2007, 6:29 pm

I was doing an Internet search for social help when I came across a list of symptoms for Asperger's Syndrome. I related to quite a few of them, especially the ones that concerned social awkwardness. As a child, I was labeled as "shy." I didn't want to be shy; but even when I tried my best to be friendly and nice, people still viewed me in that way. Even so, as a young child, I was able to make friends through mutual interests of playing dolls, skipping rope, hopscotching, etc. One on one, I did okay, but when there were other people and it became more like "girls hanging out," (Slumber parties were the worst) I completely clammed up. I wanted to be part of their group, but was always an outsider. I hung onto childish games/dolls far longer than most girls, possibly because there was safety in them.

It started to become more difficult in junior high, when social skills played a more important role in making/maintaining friendships. One childhood friend remained close to me during these years, but all of my other "friends" were really only acquaintances -- people who talked to me during school. Whenever it came time to break up into class groups, I was always the one left without a partner. I remember several times when this was painfully brought to my attention by other classmates or teachers. One teacher asked me, in front of the entire classroom, "Kiki, don't you have any friends?" My best friend was a social butterfly who easily befriended everyone she met. She tried including me when she hung out with them, but I was always so awkward that they wondered why she would hang around with someone like me. I tried to fit in with them, but could never quite figure out what they wanted from me -- why I wasn't one of them. I was always nice and polite, but it just wasn't enough.

By high school, my best friend and I had become strangers. I made other friends and aquaintances with people who were content to hang around with me, because they viewed me as a nice person. Niceness had always been my saving grace. It was the one thing that I valued about myself, but I longed for the social ease that everyone else seemed to take for granted. Niceness followed rules of politeness, empathy, kindness, and compassion. I genuinely did feel these emotions, but when there were no rules for how to react to people, I seemed to flounder.

I had a few non-serious boyfriends during high school, but I had always been in love with one guy in particular, to the point of obsessing over him. When we finally got together, he soon professed his love for me, while acknowledging the fact that I was still shy around him. After several months, he was forced to move over a thousand miles away. Needless to say, the long distance relationship ended. I was devastated and knew for an absolute fact that I would never love again. I dated a few guys, and ended up marrying one, mainly because I felt comfortable around him, even though we were completely unsuited for one another. He was a simple person, who didn't seem to feel the need to analyze me to death. He wanted a woman, and I was a female, simple as that. I took the easy route and replaced happiness with comfort.

I had difficulty relating to my husband's family, though. They all thought of me as a complete odd-ball, whispering, and giggling in my presence; gossiping, behind my back. Again, I thought I was being nice and polite to them, but it was never enough. Their social conventions required something that was foreign to me. At work, I had trouble getting past politeness and efficiency. I dreaded the moments of down-time, when there was no structure, and women (mostly) were chatting in cliques. Sometimes, I would be politely included, but I could always sense their quizzical expressions.

Over the years, I have become quite used to the looks that seem to say, "What's wrong with her?" I can feel my deficiency, in social situations, but can never change myself. It's as if I'm trying to dance, but can never find the beat.

Once I started having children, I became a stay-at-home mother. I felt competely relieved not to have to face uncomfortable social situations on a daily basis any longer, yet I also felt at a complete loss for what to do with an entire day full of unstructured hours. I had always been the type of person who could do a job well, if given instructions; but I was never good at making the blueprint myself.

As an adult, I made aquaintances, here and there, but never found anyone who would call me a friend, even though I offered people help if they ever needed it. Everyone seemed to sense that something was wrong with me, and instantly knew that I had no friends. It never really bothered me much, except for times when it would have been nice to call up a friend, such as when I found out I was pregnant. I remember being elated and wanting to pick up the phone to call someone, but there was no one.

Over the years, I have read countless books on overcoming shyness. When I try to implement the lessons, though, I'm left feeling worse than before I tried. It seems like the harder I try, the more people think I'm strange. The quality that I once valued about myself, niceness, has now become twisted. As an adult, it doesn't seem to be received in the same way as it did when I was a child. It's as if the rules have been changed. Now, I hear women whispering about me being fake. This also leads to my feeling that the world doesn't want to accept me for the person I am, yet they accuse me of being fake when I try to change to fit in with society.

I am now in my thirties. My children are getting older, so I've been forced into social situations on a regular basis, with ball games, swimming classes, dance classes, etc. Each time I'm introduced to a new group, I vow that I will try my hardest to make friends with them. Sometimes, I think I'm being successful and have actually started to make friends, but then I find these women breaking up into cliques before my eyes, arranging play dates, shopping sprees, dinner invitations, telephone conversations, without including me. In a way, it's a relief to me, because I do value my space. At this point, I don't even know what I would do with a real friend, who would come by all the time. The one thing I do worry about, though, is the fact that my children will think of me as a loser, without any friends.

I don't know if I do have Asperger's. There are a few topics of conversation that interest me, some would say obsessively, more than others; but I am capable of talking about other things. I also noticed that in some of your posts, you mentioned that you don't like to be touched. I'm the exact opposite. I am still married to my husband, so I'm able to get affection from him, and I've also been very affectionate with my children. One thing that I find the most difficult, socially, is humor. I have a terrible time laughing at people's jokes, as part of a conversation, except for my family members. It's not that I don't have a sense of humor. I love to laugh at good comedy on television or comedy clubs. It's just that I seem to miss a beat, when it's inserted into a conversation, with aquaintances, most of the time. I try to "fake it," but people can always tell when I'm not sincerely laughing at their jokes. I also seem incapable of that back and forth teasing thing that people do with each other. I'm different with my family members. It's like I've become accustomed to their humor and know how to play that game, if that makes any sense.

Maybe some of you will be able to relate to parts of my story. I hope to hear your comments.



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01 Apr 2007, 7:15 pm

kiki3, much of your post could've been written by me...

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01 Apr 2007, 8:48 pm

Hello there. Sounds like you have a lot of the symptoms.

I'm new at this too. We shoudn't be scared because whatever it is, we have always had it, but now we just happen to recognize it and have a name to put on it.

This website has some moments when it can be really helpful.

I am new here myself, but welcome.



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01 Apr 2007, 9:40 pm

What strikes me about AS is that although we have made very different choices in life,I can relate to everything you typed.I refused to get married,had no interest in having children but have the same social situations repeating themselves in my life.
I also found it odd,that no matter how "nice" and hard working I have tried to be,those things count for less then being able to do the social "thing".

Do your kids show any AS signs?

Glad to have you here......Welcome.


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01 Apr 2007, 10:05 pm

Welcome to WP!

Your self-described lack of friendships, difficulty fitting in, difficulty understanding humor can all result from AS, so maybe AS is what you have. Like you, I don't have a diagnosis, so I can't be 100% sure in my mind whether I have it yet.

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One teacher asked me, in front of the entire classroom, "Kiki, don't you have any friends?"


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01 Apr 2007, 11:42 pm

Welcome Kiki13,

Well I understand you, everybody here, and still do not have a clue what general population is up to.

Having lived long I predict that your kids will be told, you have a cool Mom! Some of us are made to cover several generations. Life sounds generally good.

Having any but herd interests does put them off, they might have to read a book or something.

Lots of people to talk to here, so just wander about. Not being the only one is great.



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02 Apr 2007, 9:10 am

Welcome, kiki3!

There are many women here who can relate to you. We find it difficult, if not impossible, to become friends with NT women. I hope you feel at home here. :)


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02 Apr 2007, 10:36 am

Hi, everyone! Thanks for all your welcoming replies.

I found the Rdos.net test last night, and took the Aspie Quiz. I wasn't surprised by the results at all. I was both Aspie (114/200) and NT (98/200). That just confirms the feeling that I've had all my life -- that I'm too weird to be normal and too normal to be really weird. I think there are probably many of us like that on this board, so maybe I've finally found my place in society. It's strange, because yesterday morning, before I found this board, I was thinking that what is really wrong with me is that I seem to belong on another planet. When I found this board and saw the name, it clicked immediately. The more forum posts I read, the more I thought, "These people are just like me!"

My kids are all more socially successful than I ever was, but one of them may exhibit some very minor Aspie symptoms, or possibly Tourette's. I'm fairly certain that certain members of my family are Aspies, which would explain why I'm so comfortable around them, and we can make each other laugh.

It's comforting to know that my inability to make friends with NT women, all these years, is not my fault. I've been beating myself up my entire life, wondering why I just couldn't get it right. Each time I failed, I always thought that if I had tried just a little bit harder, I could have made them like me. Now, I'm wondering how hard I should keep trying. Should I just accept the idea that I'll never fit in with them? Or, should I keep trying, since I am, at least partly, NT? I just keep hoping I'll meet someone like me, in real life, when I'm forced to try to hang out with other "team moms," and such.

Being forced to socialize with these women, several times a week, is what made me decide to do research on the Internet, in the first place. When I'm able to stay in my comfort zone, my social oddities are barely noticeable; but when I'm with NT women, it's painful. I have to do it, though, for my kids. One of my kids is involved with a traveling team, so I'm with these people a lot. The team function is even part of our vacations. All the other women can't wait to sit around the beach, drinking, laughing, and hanging out. I'm, literally, scared out of my mind, wondering how I'll pull this off. It's not a feeling of social anxiety, necessarily, which is probably what they all think I have. It's just knowing that I'm not like them, and come off phony when I try. I can hang around them at practices and talk, and be somewhat accepted, but when they start getting that party attitude, I just can't do it.



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02 Apr 2007, 10:56 am

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02 Apr 2007, 11:55 am

kiki3 wrote:
Being forced to socialize with these women, several times a week, is what made me decide to do research on the Internet, in the first place. When I'm able to stay in my comfort zone, my social oddities are barely noticeable; but when I'm with NT women, it's painful. I have to do it, though, for my kids. One of my kids is involved with a traveling team, so I'm with these people a lot. The team function is even part of our vacations. All the other women can't wait to sit around the beach, drinking, laughing, and hanging out. I'm, literally, scared out of my mind, wondering how I'll pull this off. It's not a feeling of social anxiety, necessarily, which is probably what they all think I have. It's just knowing that I'm not like them, and come off phony when I try. I can hang around them at practices and talk, and be somewhat accepted, but when they start getting that party attitude, I just can't do it.


I've never done it as an adult. Both of my kids are on the spectrum, my son much more so than me. My public facade is that of the intellectual who can't be bothered with their mundane lives. If you do not have a facade, you need to develop one. At the beach, I would be the one to go snorkeling or scuba diving. I would get involved in something intellectually stimulating and bring a book on it. Try not to act needy or unhappy. Just be pleasantly oblivious to them and they will leave you alone. You don't have to be friends with them. Don't beat yourself up over it.


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02 Apr 2007, 6:15 pm

First of all, welcome!

Second of all - listen to me closely here - there is nothing wrong with you! !! :)



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02 Apr 2007, 8:23 pm

I hadn't known of the RDos quiz before... so I went over and took it. Got the following:

Your Aspie score: 118 of 200
Your neurotypical (non-autistic) score: 77 of 200
You are very likely an Aspie

Yay me. And welcome to you. :)



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04 Apr 2007, 11:34 am

Yay, Jonnybgood! You must watch Suite Life. :D My daughter loves to say, "Yay, me!"

I'm feeling liberated with this newfound knowledge about myself. At night, all the images of my failed social experiences, or parts of my personality I could never understand, run through my head. I'm not planning to tell my husband about this, but I think it has already helped me feel better about the decision I made, years ago, to marry him. I think my obesession with that old boyfriend was just that, an obsession. My husband accepts me for who I am (even though I don't necessarily want to give him a name -- Asperberger's -- to put with it). I don't think the other guy would have been so loving, once he started to get to know me better, and realized that I was almost incapable of having adult friendships with "normal" people. My husband knows this about me, and takes pride in the fact that I "need him."



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04 Apr 2007, 11:45 am

Seriousgirl, Thanks for the pointers! I definitely feel better about social situations when I'm enaging in some type of activity.



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04 Apr 2007, 4:52 pm

krex wrote:
What strikes me about AS is that although we have made very different choices in life,I can relate to everything you typed.I refused to get married,had no interest in having children but have the same social situations repeating themselves in my life.
I also found it odd,that no matter how "nice" and hard working I have tried to be,those things count for less then being able to do the social "thing".

Do your kids show any AS signs?

Glad to have you here......Welcome.


I can definitely relate to the "social" thing. I've found that trying to be nice to most NT ("neuro-typical" or non-Aspie) people only gets you disrespect, as they feel like they can take you for granted and walk all over you. Perhaps some assertiveness training might help. Also, look for ways to hook up with other Aspies, as we seem to have a definite social code of our own; it's just distinct from the NT code. Getting into this community is a good start. Welcome!


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05 Apr 2007, 1:00 pm

Zaniac, you're absolutely right about how NT's view people who are too nice. They see it as a sign of weakness. I'm always on the lookout for people like me, other Aspies, but it's not easy to find them. The few times I thought I did find them, they didn't seem to be interested in letting any new people into their lives either.