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MolotovCocktail
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07 Apr 2007, 11:36 pm

Sorry, I really tried to like this site.

1) This site is filled with spammers and obnoxious attention seekers and completely useless threads. I feel like that I cannot post a thread without worrying about it going to obscurity by the next day, where it ends up on page 7 or so. And the mods here are incompetent and immature (except for maybe Graelwyn). I know that we all like to play games, but then there is playing games and then there is going out of control.

2) Doesn't this site have some sort of security system? Or a censor system for that matter? For one, I notice that just about anybody can walk into the adult forum. Also, as I was looking at threads in this section, I run into some posts with profanity on it. That's right, uncensored profanity for all to see (e.g. the thread C**TS).

3) I am seeing a bunch of advertising banners everywhere on this site. Sometimes they are adult in nature. Why is this? Usually you see stuff like this on some third party site (in which I have to lower my security setting to view these sites in the first place. I had to do the same with this site). I use Firefox nowadays because their adware blockers are much more effective.

Pretty much, this is really a poor quality site. I find it really stressful to be here, and this site really isn't civil at all. And the so-called Haven doesn't offer any real help either.

And one more thing I would like to tell you: I remember surveying this site way back when and as I was on here, somebody hacked into my computer (I eventually kicked him out) and email address and apparently used it to do all sorts of screwy things with it (I got an email from both Wrongplanet and Ebay regarding an account I did not create, for example).



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08 Apr 2007, 12:07 am

MolotovCocktail wrote:
Sorry, I really tried to like this site.

1) This site is filled with spammers and obnoxious attention seekers and completely useless threads. I feel like that I cannot post a thread without worrying about it going to obscurity by the next day, where it ends up on page 7 or so. And the mods here are incompetent and immature (except for maybe Graelwyn). I know that we all like to play games, but then there is playing games and then there is going out of control.


This is the only topic which I feel qualified to answer. Yes, the first set of sub-forums does have precisely the problems that you mention. Deeper into individual topics however, the site takes on a far more stately progression. The point is that there are a lot of members with a lot of things to say. Yeah, there's some play, but again, it seems limited to the sub-forums which are getting a great deal of traffic anyhow. I'm not sure why you believe that some thread that you start is necessarily of vital interest to everyone else - but if it is the case, it can always be revived with a gentle bump. Personally, outside of the "getting to know you," the "random discussion," and the games and quizes sub-forums, I've not seen topics disappear from the first page in the course of a couple of days.



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08 Apr 2007, 12:10 am

MolotovCocktail wrote:
Sorry, I really tried to like this site.

1) This site is filled with spammers and obnoxious attention seekers and completely useless threads. I feel like that I cannot post a thread without worrying about it going to obscurity by the next day, where it ends up on page 7 or so. And the mods here are incompetent and immature (except for maybe Graelwyn). I know that we all like to play games, but then there is playing games and then there is going out of control.

2) Doesn't this site have some sort of security system? Or a censor system for that matter? For one, I notice that just about anybody can walk into the adult forum. Also, as I was looking at threads in this section, I run into some posts with profanity on it. That's right, uncensored profanity for all to see (e.g. the thread C**TS).

3) I am seeing a bunch of advertising banners everywhere on this site. Sometimes they are adult in nature. Why is this? Usually you see stuff like this on some third party site (in which I have to lower my security setting to view these sites in the first place. I had to do the same with this site). I use Firefox nowadays because their adware blockers are much more effective.

Pretty much, this is really a poor quality site. I find it really stressful to be here, and this site really isn't civil at all. And the so-called Haven doesn't offer any real help either.

And one more thing I would like to tell you: I remember surveying this site way back when and as I was on here, somebody hacked into my computer (I eventually kicked him out) and email address and apparently used it to do all sorts of screwy things with it (I got an email from both Wrongplanet and Ebay regarding an account I did not create, for example).


I'm sorry to hear this.

1) While I myself may not be immune from being called immature, what about Flagg?

2) I'm not sure there is such a regulatory system, except when offended users point these out to the mods. The forum censors automatically most swear-words, though the aforementioned profanity, being a little-used one in America, is not automatically censored.

3)I haven't paid much attention to the banners, though to be quite frank I do find them annoying. But I think they provide Alex with the funding to keep running.

4)I am unaware of this, but I have yet to be on the recieving end of an actual hacking attack from this forum, though a certain spammer did send several PMs and another sent an obnoxious email.


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08 Apr 2007, 12:15 am

Okay, so I did a quick peek at the length of time that threads are sitting on the front page. In the Autism/Asperger's discussion area, the oldest first page thread is more than 24 hours. In the member's only section, it goes back about a week. These are a couple of the most heavily used non-spam discussion areas, and this on a weekend (when posting tends to be highest).

This all harkens to the fundemental strength and weakness of this site, which is the sheer size, in number of participating members. Certainly there are other AS-themed sites which have lower posting quantities, but primarily because they are smaller. It's a double edged sword.

As to civility, there is an interesting boundary as to protecting people from being insulted or offended, and allowing freedom of speech. If anything, I would argue for more freedoms. The one clear area where attacks are NOT allowed is within the haven, but even here, some leeway must be allowed, to enable members to vent - as long as they are not directly attacking one another.



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08 Apr 2007, 1:00 am

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1) While I myself may not be immune from being called immature, what about Flagg?



I did not say all mods were immature. I only mentioned Graelwyn because that is the one I see around often.

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2) I'm not sure there is such a regulatory system, except when offended users point these out to the mods. The forum censors automatically most swear-words, though the aforementioned profanity, being a little-used one in America, is not automatically censored.

There is. On some sites I go (and the one I moderate), they usually have a bot that is programmed to recognize profanity and spam and act accordingly. They are very effective. I don't know about where you live, but the word "c**t" is very well known in America.

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3)I haven't paid much attention to the banners, though to be quite frank I do find them annoying. But I think they provide Alex with the funding to keep running.

I suppose I could live with that.

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4)I am unaware of this, but I have yet to be on the recieving end of an actual hacking attack from this forum, though a certain spammer did send several PMs and another sent an obnoxious email.


About this hacker, this happened back sometime January I think. He hacked into my email account, apparently, and used it for god knows what. Whatever he did, all I know is that I got an email from WP regarding an account I did not create. I thought it was just spam so I deleted that message.

And then a couple of months later, I got an email from E-Bay regarding an account I did not create. Apparently, they were suspending his account he created with my email address for some reason. I don't know what it was that he did, but apparently he was using my email, and probably my computer and ip-address, and perhaps even my identity for that matter, to do something illegal. I already kicked him off, deleted all the trojans, and reported it. The reason I suspect WP to be the source is because I noticed that my computer was acting strange, and a bit slower, after leaving the site. I'm only posting here now because I have about 3 anti-spyware software and an upgraded firewall and anti-virus software and complicated security passwords.

I am just glad that my computer did not have any case sensitive information such as social security when the hacking occurred.



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08 Apr 2007, 2:11 am

Yeah, that was Atomika most likely. He's a fabled one around here (whenever he shows up). WP also got hacked one time and the title got changed, and it wasn't put back until about 7 hours later. Alex, the guy who runs the site, is still in college, and also tutors (I think) another Aspie so that takes up even more time. It makes me think he should have an assistant to help out.

I agree that the bot should be upgraded, I could say s*** right here 5 times and not get noticed (not that I'm going to do that). Also, WP is global, spanning regions like America, Canada, NZ (where I am), Britain, Sweden, heck, we even have a user in Iraq posting some times in between fighting the good fight in Iraq (or stupid fight, depending on which way you look at it).

On the forums, they're not too bad. I find however I can barely stand coming back here after 2 days due to the sheer amount of stuff people have posted (double-edge thing again).


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08 Apr 2007, 2:20 am

LIES. There is nothing bad about WP.



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08 Apr 2007, 2:33 am

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LIES. There is nothing bad about WP.


Well, yes it is true. If one doesn't like the site, don't visit it.



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08 Apr 2007, 5:02 am

MolotovCocktail wrote:
Sorry, I really tried to like this site.


As its turns out its very difficult to build a forum site. The most critical thing is you need
a large user base. Most the smaller aspergers forum sites have total membership rolls less
than WP has at just one moment. If any of those sites grew to the load size of WP they
would quickly need extensive advertising to pay operational cost. Which means simple
text based adds would be replaced with banners ads.

The very nature of WP's large user base is we have the most diverse group of aspies of any forum site. Most smaller aspergers forum sites are highly focused on certain segments. They are not serving the entire spectrum of aspie like WP is trying to. Like what you call spam on a small site with all adults can not apply to a site like WP with hundreds of young teens. Many of which may be low functioning aspies.

So your left with finding a home at a smaller site that fits you and/or trying to build one to a larger site which you will likely run into the precise same issue that your having problems with at WP and responding to them wrongly will most likely result in your site remaining small. And if you in fact can build a better mouse trap I'm sure Alex would close the doors at WP and join your site to.



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08 Apr 2007, 2:26 pm

Wrongplanet has it's faults, as does any other forum... you will be hard pushed to find perfection on any forum, let alone one of this size... I mean, 10,000 members is a lot, even if nowhere near the total of those are posting regularly. It is an awful lot to keep a watch on. I, personally, do not see spammers... not what I would term true spammers. There are some members who only like to post in the games and the less serious threads, but I do not see spamming. Spamming, to me, is the sort of thing Atomika posted that disrupted the forum. IF the forum were being disrupted at this time, we would know of it as others would be posting to complain.

The security... I do not know about that, but would agree that maybe minors should have to have some special registration process to so as they cannot get into the adult areas...but then again, even that isn't foolproof as anyone can lie about their age etc. You simply cannot totally lock out kids. If they want to get on a forum, they will.

The moderators are a mixture of ages and maturity, but all are fairly familiar to various segments of the membership, which hopefully makes us seem less like some alien force working behind the scenes. Some of us maybe are younger, but I do not see any among us as being immature in the way they mod.

I would say that, in the end, as with life in general, you have to take the rough with the smooth. I tried just about every aspie forum there is out there before I settled here. I found the membership here more diverse, more relaxed and more like a true community where people actually do get familiar with one another and offer support as best they can. For me, at present, the good outweighs the bad.

Maybe, if you find it so bad, you might like to try a few others and see if they are more suited to you, though I would point out, they will have their plus and minus points also.


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08 Apr 2007, 3:31 pm

MolotovCocktail wrote:

I did not say all mods were immature. I only mentioned Graelwyn because that is the one I see around often.


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1) This site is filled with spammers and obnoxious attention seekers and completely useless threads. I feel like that I cannot post a thread without worrying about it going to obscurity by the next day, where it ends up on page 7 or so. And the mods here are incompetent and immature (except for maybe Graelwyn). I know that we all like to play games, but then there is playing games and then there is going out of control.


So you said all but one. That's usually how phrases structured as "And _____ (except for ______)" are taken.

You dealt with the ads with ad-blockers. So they aren't a problem now. You have issue with one curse word. That word was either censored by you, or automatically censored. If it was the latter, well, problem solved. If not, I haven't exactly seen that word used all over the place. Maybe ten or so threads? My numbers may be way off, but I don't read every last thread in the adult section, and I rarely touch the wasteland of random discussion. The only thing I actually have any sympathy for is the e-mail thing. Unfortunately, there's no way of knowing if that was a result of your information being stolen from the site, or if someone targeted you specifically.



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08 Apr 2007, 8:22 pm

MolotovCocktail wrote:
2) Doesn't this site have some sort of security system? Or a censor system for that matter? For one, I notice that just about anybody can walk into the adult forum. Also, as I was looking at threads in this section, I run into some posts with profanity on it. That's right, uncensored profanity for all to see (e.g. the thread C**TS).

I can try to fix the second problem.


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08 Apr 2007, 8:53 pm

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I can try to fix the second problem.


Thanks. That's something we all need to work on to some extent.
But there are fairly young children present, so it's wise.



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08 Apr 2007, 9:43 pm

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I can try to fix the second problem.


Thanks. That's something we all need to work on to some extent.
But there are fairly young children present, so it's wise.


The irony is that the young children that we need to protect from the profane language
are in fact the ones that use the most profane language. My opinion profane language while not needed is very low on my list of problems with WP.

In fact in the scope of my life and real problems faced by me most the things people
complain about the WP forum community and site operations I consider as a joke or just
rambling rantings of typical pedantic aspies that have a hard time tolerating anything but their own cookie cutter world they live in. I mean I kind of get insulted when people
say something is so bad here on WP when in the real life of many typical aspies things are truly bad. So high functioning but very pedantic aspies who can not see objectively
the true WP community in its whole perhaps should find a new forum site to get support from.



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08 Apr 2007, 10:21 pm

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The irony is that the young children that we need to protect from the profane language
are in fact the ones that use the most profane language. My opinion profane language while not needed is very low on my list of problems with WP.


I'm not talking about the young teens, but rather some 7 and 8 year olds.
We should afford them some protection, I think.

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In fact in the scope of my life and real problems faced by me most the things people
complain about the WP forum community and site operations I consider as a joke or just
rambling rantings of typical pedantic aspies that have a hard time tolerating anything but their own cookie cutter world they live in. I mean I kind of get insulted when people
say something is so bad here on WP when in the real life of many typical aspies things are truly bad. So high functioning but very pedantic aspies who can not see objectively
the true WP community in its whole perhaps should find a new forum site to get support from.


Agreed. But it did seem reasonable to answer the concerns, nonetheless. At the very least, it convinced me that most of them were not ones that I would worry about (except my own immaturity, which alas there's no help for).



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08 Apr 2007, 10:56 pm

I take your insults to my modship personally.


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