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Maybe, maybe-not. I'd have to say that prudence should triumph over anything in writing.

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Notice that it wasn't I who alerted the forum, and that all that was said was "hey, someone reported this thread", no judgment, nothing else.

But I'm still confused - I thought your point was that all opinions should be heard, even if they hurt people's feelings - why would you then ask me to take ruveyn's feelings into consideration and how are they more important than hyperlexian's feelings?

I only mentioned Ruveyn's personal biography, or at least what I know of it, as an example of why I go very far out of my way not to judge people solely on their opinions since they may have had a life experience that justifies a disagreeable viewpoint. Living through both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 explains a lot about Ruveyn, whether it "excuses" him for his views is a judgment call for the individual.

Ruveyn isn't trying to suppress anyone's opinion, Hyperlexian is. I don't particularly care how she feels one way or the other, nor do I really care about how Ruveyn feels either, both are equally entitled to voice their opinions to their hearts content. I only mentioned Ruveyn's personal biography, or at least what I know of it, as an example of why I go very far out of my way not to judge people solely on their opinions since they may have had a life experience that justifies a disagreeable viewpoint. Living through both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 explains a lot about Ruveyn, whether it "excuses" him for his views is a judgment call for the individual.

What I did and continue to have a problem with is running to the mods rather than engaging in debate, THAT is the heart of the disagreement here. AG made a good point in likening it to calling the cops on your neighbor because of an argument or something; yeah you CAN do it, but it doesn't mean you should, and you've got to expect your neighbor to treat you differently afterward.

Wait? That's the big incident??? Honestly.... while I dislike ruveyn's statements, I would have to argue that it also should be neglected unless the problem got worse. His comments seem to generally avoid racial slurs. While racism isn't this "impersonal thing", ruveyn himself is reacting to the matter in a personal way as well, and honestly, I really am not sure that I would think silencing ruveyn for this is really the best thing. I really really dislike the idea of punishing someone for being personal, even if this is sort of in a negative way. I've had that happen in my life, and it bothered me, and it still bothers me. I'd advocate some charity to ruveyn in this case, and the same to anybody even in an opposite position as well. It is not as if ruveyn is the only person who seems to want large numbers of people dead anyway.


Wait? I don't understand why we would formally elect somebody to speak. That requires a lot of coordination. PPR actually doesn't have a "club" or "bloc" in any clear sense. There are people there who do respect each other, but that's mostly it, and even the people who respect each other have disagreement. I also don't think that we would actually elect Dox either, unless we had a lack of other people interested. Nothing against Dox either, just that there are a lot of other potential candidates who have sufficient qualities.

Also, Dox is wrong, I am AG, and frankly, I am the most unique being in existence. Or at least, I am one of the more notable members of PPR. He is right though that there are a lot of articulate members. (Note: Articulate may not mean "correct", or really anything about dealing with non-PPR people, and I know that many people will accuse me of splitting too many hairs and holding on too tightly to semantics.)


Actually "poor old grandpa, he's senile and lost contact with reality" is probably the best way to describe ruveyn. Perhaps this is overly sensitive of me, but hammering on a guy who is kind of outraged about this kind of situation doesn't really seem like the most humane solution, regardless of who anybody was angry with. I mean, ruveyn's comment about muslims isn't the creepiest thing that could be found on PPR to any extent, and yet the other things would rightfully be protected.


Umm.... debates are discussions. A lot of my discussions are somewhat in a debate-format. Even further, if you have two different opinions, unless we're going to smoke the happy-peace-pipe and say there is no truth, then it is an important question to see which is right. I also don't think that a lot of these conversations are just "insults and bullying" at the end of the day.

Ruveyn isn't trying to suppress anyone's opinion, Hyperlexian is. I don't particularly care how she feels one way or the other, nor do I really care about how Ruveyn feels either, both are equally entitled to voice their opinions to their hearts content. I only mentioned Ruveyn's personal biography, or at least what I know of it, as an example of why I go very far out of my way not to judge people solely on their opinions since they may have had a life experience that justifies a disagreeable viewpoint. Living through both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 explains a lot about Ruveyn, whether it "excuses" him for his views is a judgment call for the individual.

What I did and continue to have a problem with is running to the mods rather than engaging in debate, THAT is the heart of the disagreement here. AG made a good point in likening it to calling the cops on your neighbor because of an argument or something; yeah you CAN do it, but it doesn't mean you should, and you've got to expect your neighbor to treat you differently afterward.

Ruveyn isn't trying to suppress anyone's opinion, Hyperlexian is. I don't particularly care how she feels one way or the other, nor do I really care about how Ruveyn feels either, both are equally entitled to voice their opinions to their hearts content. I only mentioned Ruveyn's personal biography, or at least what I know of it, as an example of why I go very far out of my way not to judge people solely on their opinions since they may have had a life experience that justifies a disagreeable viewpoint. Living through both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 explains a lot about Ruveyn, whether it "excuses" him for his views is a judgment call for the individual.

What I did and continue to have a problem with is running to the mods rather than engaging in debate, THAT is the heart of the disagreement here. AG made a good point in likening it to calling the cops on your neighbor because of an argument or something; yeah you CAN do it, but it doesn't mean you should, and you've got to expect your neighbor to treat you differently afterward.

Ruveyn isn't trying to suppress anyone's opinion, Hyperlexian is. I don't particularly care how she feels one way or the other, nor do I really care about how Ruveyn feels either, both are equally entitled to voice their opinions to their hearts content. I only mentioned Ruveyn's personal biography, or at least what I know of it, as an example of why I go very far out of my way not to judge people solely on their opinions since they may have had a life experience that justifies a disagreeable viewpoint. Living through both Pearl Harbor and 9/11 explains a lot about Ruveyn, whether it "excuses" him for his views is a judgment call for the individual.

What I did and continue to have a problem with is running to the mods rather than engaging in debate, THAT is the heart of the disagreement here. AG made a good point in likening it to calling the cops on your neighbor because of an argument or something; yeah you CAN do it, but it doesn't mean you should, and you've got to expect your neighbor to treat you differently afterward.

explain how hyperlexian could have effectively debated her point (and why it should have been required of her, since that was not her motivation in getting involved with the topic of ruveyn's post).

ruevyn expressed his desire that all members of a certain religion be killed. that is a lot worse than being silenced.

That's not my job, all I'm saying here is that she didn't even make the effort to do anything other than call in the mods, which is not how you make friends in PPR. Notice that the very same people that don't hesitate to call Ruveyn all sorts of things (heck, even I call him bloodthirsty from time to time) stepped up to defend his right discuss his opinions when the threat of censorship was raised. All she needed to do was post something like "hey guys, isn't this topic a bit offensive?" and she would have been clued in to how we handle that sort of thing in PPR; she chose instead to go over our heads to an authority figure, and is now upset that that action has caused some backlash. Hell, even calling it "backlash" makes it seem worse than what it's been, I think I said the harshest words about her when I said that PPR newbs should get a feel for the place before trying to get the mods involved. That she's evidently taken being corrected in public so personally is unfortunate, if you read her posts both here and in PPR she's gotten increasingly shrill and focused on me personally, but that reaction was not my intent.

This is an internet forum, being silenced is the worst thing that can happen to a poster.

i don't understand why you are explaining his background? do you care about my background, or why these issues would important to me, or are you interested in preserving the viewpoint of only selected people because you have deemed them worthy?