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That is an unfair accusation. You don't know what warnings were given, or under consideration. Your imagined version of events is incorrect.



A personal attack is a hostile statement about a person. At the point when I joined this discussion, personal attacks were under discussion. I didn't mean to slight or dismiss you, but was focused on something else.

Your question was:


And you posted this in response to my discussion of personal attacks, with discussion and hypothetical examples of insinuation and indirect attack.

I freely admit that my deplorables post was strongly worded, but it was also not directed at an individual or group of individuals other than those promoting racism, misogyny and xenophobia.

Many conservative posters immediately jumped down my throat for it, though my words were far less strong than those some conservatives routinely deploy against the left without moderator interference.

My words were "We know that some Trump supporters are perfectly decent Americans who don't espouse these heinous views, but there are those others and I will be using this thread to look at what makes them so very deplorable."

I chose the Some/Others dichotomy carefully, matching the words used by Trump in his infamous speech enumerating the qualities of Mexicans "sent" to the United States. If it's OK for Trump to say that because of his some, how is it not OK for me to use the same language to decry that portion of his supporters that I truly deplore?

I explicitly stated that this was not a comment about all Trump supporters, but some ignored that. That doesn't make that topic a personal attack. That the hateful people I was talking about happen to support the same presidential candidate as you doesn't make the post about you and no such targeting was implied or indirectly stated, it was explicitly excluded.

I don't think any PPR regular wants a safe space where they are free from the danger of ever reading a political opinion they disagree with.

So to directly and unambiguously answer your question, the other mods looked at those complaints and concluded that the post did not meet the standards for offensive content and wasn't a personal attack. Had they found that it crossed the ppr guidelines or site rules it would have come down.

In passing, this is a really good example of a direct personal attack.

Kind of illustrates the issue, people get punished for responding to something while the initiator gets off scot free far too often. Angie said that some poster here created a sockpuppet account to said hateful messages to her, that would be a bannable offense would it not?

You literally don't know what you are talking about. You don't know who gets warned or banned or when.

Yes, creating a sockpuppet to launch attacks would be a bannable offense. I can't answer the truth about what may or may not be in Angela's messages. Mods have no access to PMs unless they are reported, she says hasn't reported these.

Now might be a good time to remind people of site rule 3 which prohibits, among other things:


There are good reasons for that rule, even if they aren't immediately obvious, and they aren't about protecting mods.

Personally I think that rule should be ammended to include discussing warnings as well

There was a user recently who requested a voluntary ban before anyone could report them for the multiple toxic posts they made that broke multiple rules.

There are threads that get locked before someone can report the user who got it locked in the first place and reporting someone for what they said in a thread that is already locked seems pointless and sounds like something the mods would ignore.

Or is it actually possible to report a user in a thread already locked once action has already been taken to prevent the user from spewing any more toxic speech?

Like Jacob,y I too have often seen a thread get locked because TWO people begin arguing with one another and flinging personal attacks around, and by the time I see it unfold the thread's already locked before I can report anything, and it seems everyone else must be too hesitant to bother reporting as well.

This could be why some users who have broken a massive amount of rules for a very long time on WP remain relatively untouched aside from a few warnings.

Mods don't read every thread, and I'm sure some of the one's who lock threads probably just skim it over, see that the last 2 pages are toxic arguing and rulebreaking even if it's only two bullies who should be banned and posts deleted, and decide that's enough to warrant a thread lock.

Then what recourse would someone who received one for an innocuous statement have? We already have virtually no accountability here with regards to the site moderators, why give them another tool to shut down discussions they'd rather not have?

Those were interesting times.

Open his PMs, and there will be a little red exclamation point near the reply button, use that to report them to the mods if they're abusive, which will allow action to be taken against him.

Then do something about him because the moderators aren't so I end up having to take care of it myself.

Janissy and Visagrunt have long been my personal top choices, but unfortunately both of them are too smart to take the job. Cornflake truly was great, but even he got personal with people on occasion, just part of the human condition.

They don't do anything - they ban me instead. You saw how Adamantium brought up my supposed "personal attack" but said nothing about doing anything to pcuser. Nothing changes in this place and it never will. Just forget it.

There's also long been an unwritten rule that putting yourself forward for moderator was the quickest way to disqualify yourself.

As to that other "issue", rattling his cage on Facebook sometimes works.

Trying to avoid bringing out the content of specfic PMs here, but I asked you once by PM to report examples of the harassing PMs from him and you replied that there was nothing specific. You complained about some other harassing emails and those users were banned.

I don't understand your perception of injustice here, but if by "taking care of it myself" you mean attacking the person you believe is attacking you, don't do it. Give me something actionable, even an indirect attack loaded with insinuation and I'll take care of it. At the moment I have nothing at all to go on and can't help you.

I disagree, I've actually gotten quite a few abusive members removed over the years, it's just takes persistence and consistently reporting their bad behavior rather than retaliating yourself, which just muddies the waters.

I think that's part of the problem, they want a squeaky clean member, but none of the people who'd be good at modding contentious forums like PPR or L&D can meet that criteria.