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21 Oct 2007, 12:57 pm

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21 Oct 2007, 1:00 pm

Okay. But at the same time, let's be aware that an abundance of text and side-complaints causes shell-shock. Polite persistence seems more promising to me.

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21 Oct 2007, 1:13 pm

One gets frustrated. I was polite for a LONG
time in the mod forum. Then, I learned that
this was the only way to move the particular
people in question. Being right isn't enough.
Persistence isn't either. This has worked. And,
the very fact that I could do it better from the
outside was instrumental in my resignation.

And, even so, they drift back to wanting to
reorder the site to their liking, regardless of
what they've seen.

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21 Oct 2007, 1:31 pm

Well, there's no doubt that you're more familiar with the nature of the men you're taking on than I am.

Yet I don't see that you got what you aimed for here, unless it's buried somehwere back there and I passed it over.

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21 Oct 2007, 2:48 pm

MrMark wrote:

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MrMark wrote:

By the way Hadron, QM has contributed substantially to this board with the intent of helping aspies learn to cope better in an NT world. You have not. This is one of the things I into consideration when contemplating various courses of action available to me. This site is first and foremost a support site and information resource. It's social functions are secondary. You can go socialize anywhere. You don't have to do it here.

Since when exactly did you make the rules? If I understand, the site owner actually makes the rules, not yourself. Asides, I do contribute in the same way QM does to helping aspies, just with a different style. Perhaps you should read a few more of my other posts. As for lecturing me on my behaviour, you perhaps need to reconsider your own too. Accept it, the real problem is yourself and your decision to close that thread because it was some pet project of yours that didnt go quite the way you intended.

There are no problems, only issues, and the issue now is name-calling.

As to the rules, earlier this year I asked Alex for full authority to manage non-technical issues as I felt best and he gave it to me. If you have a problem with that, see Alex.

I came on this board more than a year ago and began posting with honesty, sincerity, integrity, a genuine desire to help others, and a wealth of life experience. I developed a relationship with Alex and he seemed impressed with my insight. He's criticized my actions once, and he did so in a very non-critical manner. I have no need for a dynamic IP. How much influence do you think you have with Alex, or anybody else for that matter?

You dodged my main point. You made a mistake with that thread, now admit it. As for Alex giving you supreme authority, would you care to evidence that one? As for name calling, QM has a habit of it. I wonder what all that latin translates to...

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21 Oct 2007, 2:54 pm

MrMark wrote:

Hadron wrote:

MrMark wrote:

Hadron wrote:

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Please refrain from name-calling.

Look up a few pages, you will see that Queen Mary started it. The words "Bayron" and "Meson" were used.

Thank you. QM, please refrain from name-calling.

Hadron, I've never accepted "He did it first" as an excuse. You are responsible for your behavior. You will refrain from name-calling or I will ban you.

Oh, so you are actually above another moderator. How strange. Given as the moderators set an example of acceptable conduct, I believe anything they do should be within the rules. And as an aside, is posting in antiquated langauges against the rules too?

You imply disparity where none exists. You complained and I responded as I would to any member with similar complaint. QM is not accountable to me, he is accountable to Alex. As to posting in antiquated languages, I am unaware of that rule, and besides I think that's kinda a legal technicality thing, like the definition of slander, more suitable for discussion among NT lawyers.

The disparity is how you give a wonderful speech defending someone who intiated the whole thing, while flaming me for returning an insult from that same person. I dont see you issuing a stack of ban threats to QM, but you do so to me. If there is no disparity, then you should be threatening QM as much as myself. You are not doing so. As for the antiquated languages, do you actually know what he is saying in them?

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21 Oct 2007, 2:55 pm

calandale wrote:

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Wrong on the last point, but I admit I have a touch of Don Quixote.

Actually it seemed to be like that, in my view this was originally about MrMark and his thread, and now things appear to be going off-topic now, it seems we are in a very similar situation to that thread actually.

As I said, he's been spoiling for this fight.
Last time he started it was a purely personal
matter, so I apologized. I don't like offending
people needlessly, and I was just feeling a bit
affectionate towards him, and actually playing.

In my perspective it seems that QM took the oportunity to make arguments with you about other issues that I don't see to be exactly related to that specific thread in which this topic is suppose to be about, so apparently this thread is going somewhere else than originally intended.

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21 Oct 2007, 2:57 pm

gwenevyn wrote:

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So has anything been achieved so far in this discussion?

If so, I missed it.

Plenty, someone has been exposed for throwing his toys out the pram. Dummy anyone?

That's not quite the conclusion I've drawn.

Care to enlighten us...?

Well, I care to talk about it. I don't think it's within my power to cause you to adopt my view.

I think even aspies know when they're provoking versus when they're making an effort to communicate effectively and constructively. The approach chosen repeatedly throughout this thread seems designed to provoke--or at least one could have reasonably made the conjecture that it would have that effect.

Would there have been something less effective about broaching the subject in a manner conducive to dialogue, as I asked yesterday?

Cal has saved me the bother of answering most of your response, but I would like to add that you have ducked the question really. What exactly are you views on MrMark closing that thread, I think it was time you were honest here and stopped sitting on the fence. Take a side.

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21 Oct 2007, 3:03 pm

Hadron wrote:

You dodged my main point. You made a mistake with that thread, now admit it.

We all are humans, nobody is perfect.

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As for Alex giving you supreme authority, would you care to evidence that one?

well, he said you could talk with Alex about that issue.

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As for name calling, QM has a habit of it. I wonder what all that latin translates to...

Maybe it is swearing and sexual references? (kidding)

well, he seems to go a little strong sometimes on someone, but we all do that sometimes, although being a mod, one has to set an example here, he called you a pet, and I don't think that was very appropriate.

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21 Oct 2007, 3:30 pm

I think it is sad that a mod that was largely respected as TM1 was undermined and felt he had to quit. If anything we should have more of TM1s

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21 Oct 2007, 3:34 pm

greenblue wrote:

Hadron wrote:

You dodged my main point. You made a mistake with that thread, now admit it.

We all are humans, nobody is perfect.

Hadron wrote:

As for Alex giving you supreme authority, would you care to evidence that one?

well, he said you could talk with Alex about that issue.

Hadron wrote:

As for name calling, QM has a habit of it. I wonder what all that latin translates to...

Maybe it is swearing and sexual references? (kidding)

I expect everyone to make mistakes, but once they have been made, they should at least be owned up to.

I could talk to Alex, if he would care to reply to PMs...

Pet wasnt the only lame insult...

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21 Oct 2007, 3:34 pm

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I've ducked no question that was posed to me and I see nothing dishonest in doing one's best to avoid forming hasty and absolute opinions. "The scientist is slow to believe and never speaks without modification."

If I had been in MrMark's position, I do not believe that I would have seen fit to close the thread in question. On another more orderly forum, I think such a move would have been completely appropriate. Here on WP the off-topic birdwalks in our threads have long gone ignored and accepted. There are both positive and negative consequences of this de facto policy, but it would not seem prudent, to me, to go about modifying it without solidarity among the moderators and a general announcement to the membership.

However, I do not think that his choice warranted this level of intervention, nor anger, nor the negative spin it has received in this thread. I think that any individual is owed more respect than has been shown, historically, to our moderators. The accusations were heavy and the tone in which they were delivered was ugly. Perhaps the responses you received weren't perfect, either, but I'm not sure what else you expected, going in with swords drawn.

Judicious members would do better to aid the moderators in succeeding at their duties rather than setting up situations that cause them to lose face or feel undermined.

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21 Oct 2007, 3:41 pm

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So you agree Mr Mark was wrong. He could have easily remedied his action as soon as this thread was set up, but instead he has chosen to allow this carry on for well over 200 posts. As for respecting moderators, there was a time they behaved respectably, and therefore they were respected. Respect has to be earned, not taken for grantedMost of the respectable mods have resigned, hence how we ended up in this debacle. As for the anger, it is very measured, given the slippery slope some seem determined to push this site along.

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21 Oct 2007, 3:41 pm

Personally, I think the kind of socialization that is going on on this board is a good thing for aspies. Some of us might need the practice.

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Ah, the irony. You really should
run for office in the US - you'd
make a great Republican here.

I doubt it. QM doesn't strike me as the type that taps his foot in a public bathroom, unless he has a stim.

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21 Oct 2007, 3:53 pm

Hadron wrote:

Respect has to be earned, not taken for granted

Respect is something that respectable people show universally. It is not something they withhold based on the character of the person with whom they are dealing.

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Most of the respectable mods have resigned, hence how we ended up in this debacle. As for the anger, it is very measured, given the slippery slope some seem determined to push this site along.

What you appear to be saying is that you ought to be able to say whatever you please to the moderators, in whatever tone you please, while they ought to be confined to agreeing with you politely.

If you wish to see others held to a certain standard of behavior and accountability, you should be showing them how it's done.

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21 Oct 2007, 4:04 pm

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The fight keeps going and going... -_-;

Maybe they will end up like this, who knows how strange relationships start

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