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15 Jun 2016, 9:46 am

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I think the entire problem is offense-taking ... Folks need to stop taking everything so damn personal.
I think you're right.

Reporting someone to the moderators for insulting a person is fully justified.

Reporting someone to the moderators for only denouncing a belief is not even justifiable.

I think that people should learn to not identify so strongly with their beliefs that they become offended by the opinions of people who hold different beliefs, especially if those opinions are fact-based and not mere fantasies.


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15 Jun 2016, 10:20 am

I also think victimization plays a huge part. Someone makes a vague comment about women so certain ladies see themselves as not only victims of the comment but of societies perceived agreement with the comment and go off all in a tizzy like the poster called their mother a ho. I've seen ladies play the dictionary because someone looked at them or because they thought they might have detected an undertone of hostility and called it microagression.

I've seen people scream about abortion out of insecurity that had their parents known they were on the spectrum they would have been aborted.....maybe. therefore in their mind they are abortion rights victims. They are victims ableism if they don't get hired for a job that they not only don't have the skills or physical ability to do, but which they would hate doing anyway due to the contact with others. They are victims of psychopathic governments when they are expected to either find work which is available or live on the small stipend that is disability, especially when they see the homes and lives of those who have found that work and go to.work whether or.not they dislike the job.

I have even seen some per o please scream victim when they see someone with an engagement or wedding ring on,because it's not fair that someone else has love and they don't.

Life ain't fair. ever. Sometimes good people get crap and douches get everything. not always though. And there is some amount of effort required to have anything in life, unless you are truly disabled to the point where you can do nothing - not just to the point where you dislike doing things.


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15 Jun 2016, 10:35 am

I apologize to anyone whom I may have offended with my remarks about Trump supporters being "half-wits," the other day. Sometimes in the name of edgy humor, I step over a line. I'm acquainted with a couple of Trump supporters who are highly intelligent (which baffles me no end.)

I don't believe you can ever remove all the vitriol from political and religious discussions, but perhaps we can all make an effort to be as civil to each other as possible.


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15 Jun 2016, 3:42 pm

I'll post in more depth when I get home from work, but I just wanted to point out that VegetableMan seems to get what I'm saying, that it's possible to argue politics without being needlessly inflammatory about it. I don't want to see anyone get shut down for expressing their opinions, I'd just like to curb some of the most over the top bashing, even if it's just in the form of an occasional "hey guys, that's enough".


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15 Jun 2016, 4:16 pm

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I think the etire problem is offense taking. Used to be when somebody stated a different belief you might debate or retort but then let it drop. It was simply the other person's belief now it's seen as a personal attack and call to arms. if someone is against universal income then somebody else sees it as "They want me to starve and it's eugenics we must fight this!" If someone isn't against autism speaks it's "They want to wipe us out and go back in time and kill me in the womb we must fight this!" If someone is anti gun control it's "They want us all to die we must fight this!" And if God forbid someone is for self sufficiency or personal responsibility it's "You ableist scrum you want me to starve on he streets we must fightthis!"

Folks need to stop taking everything so damn personal.



Unfortunately that is what politics is. I don't know if it's been the internet that has made us more aware how ugly it can get or if people have truly gotten more personal.


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15 Jun 2016, 4:34 pm

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I don't know if it's been the internet that has made us more aware how ugly it can get or if people have truly gotten more personal.



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15 Jun 2016, 4:58 pm

I think it's fine to debate things. People will always have different views and we generally should be able to air them. But I'm sorry I strongly believe that nobody gets to complain about people being intolerant of their intolerance. You get to have your religious, political or other views but if they view some as being less and you choose to air them then people will be angry. This applies to everyone. If you don't want people to be angry then don't make them angry?


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15 Jun 2016, 5:09 pm

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Reporting someone to the moderators for only denouncing a belief is not even justifiable.


Yet the forum has specific rules against denouncing the beliefs of certain groups.


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15 Jun 2016, 9:28 pm

Mikah wrote:
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Reporting someone to the moderators for only denouncing a belief is not even justifiable.
Yet the forum has specific rules against denouncing the beliefs of certain groups.
If I could change that, I would.


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16 Jun 2016, 1:11 am

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As for the rest of this thread, I've seen an equal amount of vitriol spewing forth from both side. I don't see much of a difference between, "Conservatives are dumb," and, "Lefties are responsible for ruining society!" If I acted on the surfeit of reported posts that have cropped-up in PPR over the last several months then PPR would be a ghost town complete with tumbleweeds. The increase in venom is directly related to this dumb election, and my main goal for this season is to get through it without losing my $%#@ mind while trying to keep the scrofulous PPR from collapsing into a midden heap.

As always, I'll be taking Dox's articulate and (as always) reasonable concerns under advisement.


Thank you for the kind words, I know I'm not always the easiest to get along with here, especially for the mods. :lol:

I did want to clarify that I'm not really asking for more moderation per se, I'm mostly just trying to raise awareness of some of the issues I see that might be flying under the radar of most people on the site, things I hear from people I PM with that never seem to be addressed in public. There really is a sense among the conservative members here that they can't go to the mod team with their problems, that they're singled out while attacks on them are ignored, etc, I think that is a real problem because it means people counter-attack rather than go to a mod, and things just spiral. I definitely got the sense from Alex that he at least thinks they bring it on themselves, and while that might be true in some cases, I don't think it's a particularly helpful attitude to take towards a minority population on the site.

Also, while I did say I wasn't going to post examples, someone recently necroed this, which is a textbook example of the kind of casual bigotry I'm talking about, that is both unnecessary and inflammatory.


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16 Jun 2016, 1:35 am

I view Thought-Policing for or rather as being a Negative-Behaviour.


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16 Jun 2016, 2:37 am

I agree that more muck is flung at the "right" than at the "left" – some people seem to have little in their arsenal beyond straw men, impugned motives, and ad homs – and it's more likely to be left where it falls. Not sure how much of a dampening effect this actually has, though. Has anybody remarked, on or off the board, that he'd be willing to jump into PPR if only the water were cleaner?

For my part, either as spectator or participant: if one side is pretty much sticking to facts, logic, and principles, while the other is reduced to grunts and swearing – I chalk that up as a clear victory for Side A. 8)


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16 Jun 2016, 4:06 am

The problem with being a Conservative is that it's a Liberal-Run Culture right now (beyond just forums). The problem with being an Autistic is that it's a Neuro-Typical-Run Culture right now. I have also noticed that many alleged Autistics still continue to fall for a bunch of Cult-Ideologies in regards to Belief-Systems. I don't think it's possible to make a truly genuine "Melting Pot" even via on-line systems (such as forums like this one), such that there will be true and genuine tolerance for absolutely any and all differences of perceptions, not unless the very root-causes of militant-egotisticism have been cleased from everybody, and that's basically "spiritual-programming" phenomenon. May as well make a "Conservative-Autistics" section with Conservative-Moderators.

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16 Jun 2016, 5:32 am

Dox47

Maybe you could grow a thicker skin. We are all subjected to negative comments whether we're liberal or conservative. And Dox47, you write this like you're not responsible for any of the unnecessarily inflammatory and insulting posts, which you most certainly are.



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16 Jun 2016, 12:48 pm

Apparently, "not bothering with me" means following me around the board attacking me personally. Starting to look an awful lot like a personal vendetta.


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16 Jun 2016, 12:55 pm

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Apparently, "not bothering with me" means following me around the board attacking me personally. Starting to look an awful lot like a personal vendetta.


I just happen to watch the same threads as you do. I just wanted to say, don't act like you don't have anything to do with the hostility here, because you do. You've attacked my character and insulted me on a few occasions now.

Oh and not everything is about you.