Conservatives of Wrong Planet

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Well I'm not in much of a position to comment on our mods, I haven't reported anyone in my time here or been on the wrong end of moderation. I would hope if I ever did report someone though I would receive feedback on it.

Is that Sly you're talking about? I saw his thread. I did find that concerning, it did look like a bit of a witch hunt. Unfortunately, since I pay very little attention to the love and dating forum, which seemed to be where the complaints were coming from, I can't properly judge. But I didn't see anything in the thread or anything from him in my time here that I thought was bad.

I'm not going to beat around the bush - it was Sly. He sent me a PM saying he was too afraid to post except in that thread about how he was feeling according to some number scale because there is a "group" here he is afraid will come after him and get him banned. He said that he has one more chance left before being banned. Who makes up these rules? Is there a rule that a person only gets so many "reports"? I know the one I just reported I have reported several times and he is still here (I think you know who I am referring to), but Sly got banned and then unbanned. The reporting does no good because nothing happens to "certain" ones being reported - in fact, they still call me names saying they know I am going to report them. What a freaking farce. You want a decent place where people are civil to each other? Then certain weeds are going to have to be weeded out first and tossed in the trash because nothing so far is changing except that good people are leaving (or being banned).

I also was talking to Dox about a list of who has been banned being published for all to see along with the reason and the name of the moderator who banned them. He said a committee decides which members should be banned, but I think it should be the members who decide since it is the members who have to interact with these people. Dox also said that a big "X" used to be next to the people who were banned. I, for one, am tired of being out here not knowing what is going on and who has been banned and for what reasons. And does this committee know everyone who is banned or do the mods have free reign and can ban someone without this committee finding out?

I suppose Alex ultimately runs the show and makes the rules. As for that one person, I don't know who you mean. I might know, but I'm not sure and I don't want to name.

Unless Dox really did say there's a separate committee, it sounds to me like he means the mods decide, via committee, rather than one mod being allowed to drop the hammer all by themselves.

Members deciding who gets banned would be awful. Witch hunt city. Big cliques getting people banned or worse one big clique cleaning the forum out of anyone they don't like.

It sounded like you can only be banned three times and then you're finished. That seems worryingly inflexible.

Calling someone a liar or moron is a clear violation of the rules. As a support site there should be harsher sanctions meeted out for personal attacks then for a lot of other type violations. It is understood that PPR is more rough and tumble then other sections but in the last few months an occasional personal attack seems to have become acceptable.

Hey... since I was mentioned I might as well voice my opinion... I really have nothing against civil discussion, and if my titles were over-the-top it was to galvanize thought... I generally respond civilly to anyone who reciprocates, but the point is...Trump, of course...

I mean, how could anyone... and I mean everyone... have anything civil when discussing him? He's singularly full of hate and not a single word that comes out is either civil and more often than not a lie (studies were conducted for that)...

...so, how does anyone solve that problem? Obviously it will be resolved one way or another in Nov, but other than that how could anyone communicate that he's fascistic and basically Hitler incarnate without actually saying it? If, on the other hand, 'X' dislikes the association of such an ideology then, of course, they can distance themselves instead holding absolutely steadfast to their beliefs, like a ship in a storm, ignoring even the potential of a holocaust in the meantime.

I mean, these things are possible (Hitler was elected, people only regretted it later), all as such should be discussed, but as your own candidate isn't civil how does one approach it sensibly?

Godwin's Law is not only a weak position but undermines the hardship and realities of pre WW2 Germany and WW2 itself. You're best not using it in PPR if you don't want to get verbally demolished.

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Godwin's law can't be the excuse used to regret, as an afterthought, the real possibility of a repeat of WWII. History is supposed to be learnt from, and yet in many people's minds Godwin's law is suddenly a symbol of the impossibility of history repeating itself?

If you want an example of that look no further than Turkey.

I think it's a far stretch to compare this to every single republican or democrat (which happens every four years).

But I digress. Let's agree to disagree and save this thread for its intended purpose.

I bumping this to let my fellow non-liberals know that I've just personally verified that we can't expect a fair shake with the mods at the moment, and so to please be on your best behavior, as even the most innocuous comment can result in a warning in the current climate. I would hate to see this site become even more of a political mono-culture than it already is, so don't give them any excuses, we've already had enough questionable suspensions this year.

So I've noticed.

I understand your concerns about the warning that you received from another mod.

I'm not going to argue with you about whether or not it was a fair warning for fairly obvious reasons. I will say that I think moderation here is fair to people across the political spectrum. We might be setting the line in the wrong place, but we're fair. We get the same complaints about bias from left-wing users, and warnings and bans are handed out at a similar rate to people of all sorts of political views. They're also handed out quietly, so it's no surprise that you haven't noticed them.

(The obvious exception is those who think that terrorism is righteous or that non-whites are inferior or anything else that breaks the rules, but garden conservatism isn't about to get anyone in trouble)

I don't think PPR is anything like a monoculture at present. It's hard to tell, but it seems that over half of the users who contribute regularly are opposed to the right of mainstream liberalism. Just check the titles of threads and the opinions expressed in popular ones. Most of the liberal users of yesteryear seem to have been put off by the influx of low-info alt-righters.

Allow me one question; would a new member lurking around WP contemplating posting reasonably anticipate that making that particular post would draw a warning? If the answer is no, then it wasn't justified, period.



How would you know without a conservative moderator? I know that you know the dangers of ideological conformity in decision making, and in my entire time here on WP, we've never had a mod past center left ideologically speaking, and that's come through very clearly to the (tiny) conservative community here.



I can't argue without the information, I can just relay that I've had more than a few banned members get in touch with me through third parties regarding bans that certainly seemed unjustified, and when I do see public censure, it sure seems to go in one direction. Maybe you're repeatedly suspending trolling liberals and insulting feminists and I have no way of knowing, I just have to go off of what I'm seeing, hearing through PM, and experiencing myself, which makes it hard for me to just take your word for it that you're being fair. Again, a non-liberal on the mod team would go a long way here.



That might be true about the topics and threads, but if you poll the users, it still skews significantly left. The conservatives are LOUDER at the moment, but are still heavily outnumbered, kinda like how Raptor and I manage to pretty much set the tone on gun politics all by ourselves when our opinions are actually the minority ones.



Oh come on, those people left long before anyone here even knew what "alt-right" meant (most people here still don't), and we have all of 3-4 people who might be described as such. Our most prominent Trump supporter has been here longer than I have, we still only seem to have the one vocal social conservative, and the religious are still hiding under a rock somewhere trying to carefully express their views without triggering an angry mob and/or ToS warning. Most of who we have are differing flavors of libertarian who nonetheless get lumped together as "conservative" by our much larger low information liberal population, the same ones who complain to you guys for letting us express our opinions at all. Given the size of that population, and that we have no moderator representation, I find that situation worrisome.

LOL! Is that you, Meryl?

Pretty soon there'll be nobody left on WP but neanderthals who watch MMA and football.

It's pretty discouraging for mods to show bias so openly.

WikiLeaks has just released some hacked video of one of the formal complaints made against Dox's behavior here on WP, and you have to admit, it's pretty damning.

Funny story: Some years ago we had a moderator go rogue and run off to a troll site with a copy of the mod logs, and wouldn't you know it but I was in some of the files. That got messy.