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22 Sep 2009, 9:53 pm

I posted a thread in the Politics, Philosophy, and Religion section. The video in question can be found here. I was informed through a private message from a moderator about it, stating

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I deleted the video in the thread about religion and dellusion. The direct language calling every person holding faith dellusional, and saying that no rational person could believe any of it, is offensive to, well, most of our population.

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This video speaks directly to the listener and tells them, if they are a believer in any one of 3 religions, that they are idiots. And not only idiots, but doing horrible things to our planet. It isn't a discussion of the validity of religion, it is absolutely certain of its viewpoint, and intends to smear as dellusional anyone who differs. That violates WP rules.

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First of all, thank you for informing me about this. I really have to object, though. The video shows that religious people dismiss the theology of others, saying that it is improbable, impossible because of X, Y, and Z, while not judging their own beliefs by these same standards. The whole point of the video is applying basic psychology to explain the divisions between religious groups. Delusional is a strong word, but it is explained in detail in the video: "a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact". And as it also says, to the person inside the bubble it is completely rational. Editorializing a bit here, but we know that religious people do not accept the beliefs of each other: To a Muslim it's absurd that Jesus was the last prophet. To a Muslim, the idea of another prophet after Jesus is blasphemy. As I said, it's psychology 1o1. To nutshell it, it's about when you're inside looking out, the outside seems crazy and twisted. But the outside thinks the same about you, because they too subside in their own dogma. Moreover, the three religions showcased were examples, it applies to any religion and any fixed set of believes that the person is not willing to confront with logic or criticism.

I really hope you will reconsider your decision. The video singles out examples but only for the purpose of showing how we are similar in condemning the irrationality of others but see that irrationality when inherent in ourselves, to be completely rational.


I feel that the link was removed unfairly based on a misinterpretation of what the message of the video was. Any help appreciated.



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23 Sep 2009, 1:42 am

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This video speaks directly to the listener and tells them, if they are a believer in any one of 3 religions, that they are idiots.

This is not true. Delusional isn't synonymous with idiot, which skafather84 pointed out in the thread in question.

I find this moderator decision woefully biased, and unfounded.


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23 Sep 2009, 12:19 pm

Next time please leave it just between us. I had already pm'd you back that I was willing to get other opinions as soon as I had the link back.

I think it can be difficult for people who are not members of a population to see how something will affect them. To me, viewing this video brought down a rush of attacks I've defended for most of my life, and provided an untrue and broad generalization of the basis of faith - or at, least, where my faith comes from and what I actually believe. Whether it was intended to send a different message or not, the only one I heard was that the faith I've held most of my life is a fairy tale, and that any rational person would know that. I WAS offended, and there is no bias in that, because it was real, whether intended or not.

So what I've asked in telling the poster it can be put back up is that he preceed the video with an explanation of what he wants to show, so that viewers from any of the mentioned populations will be inclined to take it less personally.


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25 Sep 2009, 3:36 pm

DW's a mod? I wasn't even aware of that, lol. While I think DW normally has great things to contribute, I personally disagree with this decision. The vid is pretty tame compared to a lot of things I've seen in the PPR forum in the past. The PPR forum has always gotten way more heated then the rest of the site, and members of WP quickly come to realize that PPR is for people with thicker skin, because no matter what your beliefs are, they will get challenged there. Also, because it was a link to a video, I think it could be argued if the OP was even violating the rules in the first place, while many of the people in PPR do push the envelope, and from what I've seen go unpunished. Then again, this is just my opinion, and I am not a moderator, so....



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28 Sep 2009, 1:30 pm

Fidget wrote:
DW's a mod? I wasn't even aware of that, lol. While I think DW normally has great things to contribute, I personally disagree with this decision. The vid is pretty tame compared to a lot of things I've seen in the PPR forum in the past. The PPR forum has always gotten way more heated then the rest of the site, and members of WP quickly come to realize that PPR is for people with thicker skin, because no matter what your beliefs are, they will get challenged there. Also, because it was a link to a video, I think it could be argued if the OP was even violating the rules in the first place, while many of the people in PPR do push the envelope, and from what I've seen go unpunished. Then again, this is just my opinion, and I am not a moderator, so....


Well, I'm a quiet or non-listed mod, by my choice, and I reversed the decision based on the well reasoned explanation the OP sent me (I didn't get the satire intended, sorry). The video is inbedded, not just linked, FYI. And I don't venture into PPR much, and much there gets left alone, but that doesn't mean someone might not choose to try to clean it up on occassion. In this case, the thread title caught my eye right away.


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