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10 Dec 2007, 5:53 pm

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I vote against that. The avatar size seems pretty good to me. I find sites that allow huge avatars to be fairly content-free. Also, avatars take space on the server. An average member probably posts less in messages than they get space for their avatar, already.


i vote for... id like to have 200KB limit instead of 16KB... i could barely get my avatar to work with 16KB limit!

You have used a photograph, but stored it as a GIF.

Re-storing your 15Kbyte image as a 21% JPEG gives a file of size 2Kbytes.

Generally speaking, PNG or JP(E)G files are what to use for photographic images and also for other graphics that have lots of smooth gradient effects.

Crisp graphics, consisting mainly of patches of single, non-varying colours is what GIF is for.

In my case, I have a habit of constructing avatars with BOTH on the same image. I then have to try various formats, to see which works best. I think my worst problem was when I had the left-hand chunk doing an animated GIF, so I had to mangle my photo image on the right to use as few colours as possible, so it wouldn't take the 12K it usually eats up.

Spare a thought for people who still access WP over dial-up lines (or even over not-so-fast broadband). If a page had 15 different avatars, and they all had to be loaded - even with the 16K limit, that means a page could be almost a quarter of a megabyte, not counting anything else. On a 56K dial-up, over half a minute, if they were lucky. Your suggested 200KB could mean they had to wait seven minutes.


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10 Dec 2007, 5:54 pm

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I vote against that. The avatar size seems pretty good to me. I find sites that allow huge avatars to be fairly content-free. Also, avatars take space on the server. An average member probably posts less in messages than they get space for their avatar, already.


i vote for... id like to have 200KB limit instead of 16KB... i could barely get my avatar to work with 16KB limit!

You have used a photograph, but stored it as a GIF.

Re-storing your 15Kbyte image as a 21% JPEG gives a file of size 2Kbytes.

Generally speaking, PNG or JP(E)G files are what to use for protographic images and also for other graphics that have lots of smooth gradient effects.

Crisp graphics, consisting mainly of patches of single, non-varying colours is what GIF is for.

In my case, I have a habit of constructing avatars with BOTH on the same image. I then have to try various formats, to see which works best. I think my worst problem was when I had the left-hand chuck doing an animated GIF, so I had to mangle my photo image on the right to use as few colours as possible, so it wouldn't take the 12K it usually eats up.

Spare a thought for people who still access WP over dial-up lines (or even over not-so-fast broadband). If a page had 15 different avatars, and they all had to be loaded - even with the 16K limit, that means a page could be almost a quarter of a megabyte, not counting anything else. On a 56K dial-up, over half a minute, if they were lucky. Your suggested 200KB could mean they had to wait seven minutes.


how do i do 21% jpeg in photoshop?


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10 Dec 2007, 5:58 pm

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how do i do 21% jpeg in photoshop?

I don't know, as I don't use Photoshop. You can store JPEG from MSPaint. That doesn't give any control over the amount of compression, but at a guess, would reduce your avatar to 4Kbytes.


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10 Dec 2007, 5:58 pm

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how do i do 21% jpeg in photoshop?

I don't know, as I don't use Photoshop. You can store JPEG from MSPaint. That doesn't give any control over the amount of compression, but at a guess, would reduce your avatar to 4Kbytes.


i am on a mac :P


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10 Dec 2007, 6:07 pm

Irfan is free, and IIRC gives control over compression. http://www.irfanview.com
GIMP certainly does everything with images, and is also free. http://www.irfanview.com

I was just trying to make it clear that wanting bigger file sizes for avatars is not just an arbitrary, simple "feature". It impacts in various ways (not least, on your need to store them all!). The 16KByes is not unreasonable, provided you use an appropriate file format.


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10 Dec 2007, 6:09 pm

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Irfan is free, and IIRC gives control over compression. http://www.irfanview.com
GIMP certainly does everything with images, and is also free. http://www.irfanview.com

PS. Sorry Alex. I was just trying to make it clear that wanting bigger file sizes for avatars is not just an arbitrary, simple "feature". It impacts in various ways (not least, on your need to store them all!). The 16KByes is not unreasonable, provided you use an appropriate file format.


as i said earlier i am on a MAC... any mac compatable stuff here?

maybe a devoted image converter JUST converter


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10 Dec 2007, 6:11 pm

Just use Preview. You can save (using File > Save As... ) in different formats, resize the image, and crop it as well.

If you aren't using OS X....I can't help you. :P



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10 Dec 2007, 6:13 pm

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Just use Preview. You can save (using File > Save As... ) in different formats, resize the image, and crop it as well.

If you aren't using OS X....I can't help you. :P


oh gawd... what a dumbass i am!! !! and here i had to do all this work on the image in photoshop to get it to work... burned up almost an hour... oh well... straps are definitely worth it :D


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10 Dec 2007, 6:19 pm

Also, if you don't have Photoshop, check out Pixelmator. It isn't free, but it is a lot cheaper ($60.00) and at least for my uses it has been just as good as Photoshop. That being said, I'm not doing a lot of photo manipulation.

lau already recommended GIMP, and if you have X11 and NOT Leopard that will work well, but last I knew X11 (and GIMP) were both a bit cranky on Leopard. I haven't really messed with it since then.



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10 Dec 2007, 6:22 pm

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Also, if you don't have Photoshop, check out Pixelmator. It isn't free, but it is a lot cheaper ($60.00) and at least for my uses it has been just as good as Photoshop. That being said, I'm not doing a lot of photo manipulation.

lau already recommended GIMP, and if you have X11 and NOT Leopard that will work well, but last I knew X11 (and GIMP) were both a bit cranky on Leopard. I haven't really messed with it since then.
dun dun dunnnnnnnn im on leopard :P


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10 Dec 2007, 6:35 pm

http://www.wilber-loves-apple.org/topic.php?id=32


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10 Dec 2007, 8:51 pm

I save most pictures I use as my avatars in 'gif' format because it is smaller for me than 'jpg', using Irfanview, it would be the same with Photoshop or Gimp or any other program I think.


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10 Dec 2007, 9:16 pm

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http://www.wilber-loves-apple.org/topic.php?id=32


I forgot to mention that I'm still using a PPC mac...or to ask if Strapples had a PPC or Intel machine. I tend to try and forget most Intel-only stuff, since it just reminds me that my laptop is starting to show some age. Thus, no love for me. :P

...unless anyone wants to send me a shiny new MacBook in the mail. 8)



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10 Dec 2007, 9:17 pm

shadexiii wrote:
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http://www.wilber-loves-apple.org/topic.php?id=32


I forgot to mention that I'm still using a PPC mac...or to ask if Strapples had a PPC or Intel machine. I tend to try and forget most Intel-only stuff, since it just reminds me that my laptop is starting to show some age. Thus, no love for me. :P

...unless anyone wants to send me a shiny new MacBook in the mail. 8)


... intel


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10 Dec 2007, 9:21 pm

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I save most pictures I use as my avatars in 'gif' format because it is smaller for me than 'jpg', using Irfanview, it would be the same with Photoshop or Gimp or any other program I think.

If you look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygene, you will see a 200x200 pixel version of, pretty much so, your avatar. That JPEG image is 9.63 KB (9864 bytes), rather than your 1/4 size GIF version which takes up almost the same space, at 8.9 KB (9130 bytes).

Where a significant percentage of the image is of a photographic nature, JPEG is the way to store it.


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