Not having a college degree at 23 sucks.

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26 Dec 2010, 8:48 am

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26 Dec 2010, 11:11 am

It's not so bad at 53, however. (I was *still* taking classes toward that degree until about five years ago but then I realized at this point in life, it's just a piece of paper that wouldn't give me anything I didn't already have.)



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26 Dec 2010, 11:14 am

Even having a degree at 23 sucks. Being 23 sucks. On one hand, being young is good for physical activities, on the other hand, we live in an ancient society where elders are worshipped as if they actually know something worth of value just because they are old. Being old doesn't make somebody knowledgeable. So nobody takes 23 year olds seriously, even if they know a great deal. And that sucks. College degree or no, what's the difference? Employers don't want a degree, they want someone who finished what they started, and a degree is simply the most common example. If you have a better example of that, use that. It will impress them. Employers want obedient workers with good social skills. Hmmmmm...



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26 Dec 2010, 11:18 am

a college degree doesnt guarantee you a job. 25-50 years ago, yes because there were less college graduates.experience and networking are looked at more closely than education. its sad in my opinion, but thats the way it is. i have a degree and i feel i have been lied to by society in general as do many other graduates.



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26 Dec 2010, 11:24 am

Bill Gates doesn't have a degree. Neither do Steve Jobs, Micheal Dell, David Geffen, et al.

See here for a full list of famous, rich, and/or successful people who either never attended or dropped out of college or high school.



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26 Dec 2010, 1:26 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
Bill Gates doesn't have a degree. Neither do Steve Jobs, Micheal Dell, David Geffen, et al.

See here for a full list of famous, rich, and/or successful people who either never attended or dropped out of college or high school.


I am sitting here and I feel like total crap on my days off...litterly.



God, I just feel like s**t for not having a degree....gaaaaah



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26 Dec 2010, 1:30 pm

If all you do is sit there, then yes, that'll happen whether or not you have a stupid piece of paper.



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26 Dec 2010, 1:51 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
If all you do is sit there, then yes, that'll happen whether or not you have a stupid piece of paper.



I do have a job. Don't you think the stupid paper will get me a better one?



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26 Dec 2010, 1:52 pm

ApsieGuy wrote:
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If all you do is sit there, then yes, that'll happen whether or not you have a stupid piece of paper.



I do have a job. Don't you think the stupid paper will get me a better one?


Depends what job you want. You told me before that you wanted to make your own money, anyway, and if you still want to do that, I don't get why jobs are even important. You certainly don't need any sort of degree to start your own business.



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26 Dec 2010, 4:13 pm

I'm almost 24 and still don't have a high school deploma or GED.


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26 Dec 2010, 7:35 pm

Asp-Z wrote:
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If all you do is sit there, then yes, that'll happen whether or not you have a stupid piece of paper.



I do have a job. Don't you think the stupid paper will get me a better one?


Depends what job you want. You told me before that you wanted to make your own money, anyway, and if you still want to do that, I don't get why jobs are even important. You certainly don't need any sort of degree to start your own business.


However, the degree would make me feel better/



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26 Dec 2010, 8:33 pm

I would like to think that one doesn't need a degree. I finished my book like two weeks ago, but now that my book is done my family is pressuring me to go back to college. I mean, come on, my book has only been completed for like two weeks. It isn't mysteriously going to hit the printing press in such a short period of time.

But, the truth is, if you want to do something you can do it. If you want to learn something, you can learn it. A lot of info is available for free on the Internet. Harvard records their classes, and you can watch them online. Their is also that website that I forgot the name to that provides free online courses. You can also audit classes if the professors will allow. Truthfully, if you have the will power to learn something you can, and you can have the same knowledge as someone with a degree. I will also like to note that I did not need a degree to write my memoir. But, I will admit that I am still poor at the moment. lol


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26 Dec 2010, 11:56 pm

Mindslave wrote:
Even having a degree at 23 sucks. Being 23 sucks. On one hand, being young is good for physical activities, on the other hand, we live in an ancient society where elders are worshipped as if they actually know something worth of value just because they are old. Being old doesn't make somebody knowledgeable. So nobody takes 23 year olds seriously, even if they know a great deal. And that sucks. College degree or no, what's the difference? Employers don't want a degree, they want someone who finished what they started, and a degree is simply the most common example. If you have a better example of that, use that. It will impress them. Employers want obedient workers with good social skills. Hmmmmm...

I would QFT this a million times if I could.

With the exception of few professions (those in science, medicine and engineering, definitely,) then a degree is of limited use.


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28 Dec 2010, 12:20 am

ApsieGuy wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
If all you do is sit there, then yes, that'll happen whether or not you have a stupid piece of paper.



I do have a job. Don't you think the stupid paper will get me a better one?


Job skills will. College is simply the most common example in a society full of status-driven people.

But if you're kind of doing nothing right now, you can likely finish a certificate program in something quickly and at least get some gainful employment. I have a few co-workers that didn't go to college, and are making better money at 19 than a lot of 29 year olds I know, for example.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:51 am

samsa wrote:
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Even having a degree at 23 sucks. Being 23 sucks. On one hand, being young is good for physical activities, on the other hand, we live in an ancient society where elders are worshipped as if they actually know something worth of value just because they are old. Being old doesn't make somebody knowledgeable. So nobody takes 23 year olds seriously, even if they know a great deal. And that sucks. College degree or no, what's the difference? Employers don't want a degree, they want someone who finished what they started, and a degree is simply the most common example. If you have a better example of that, use that. It will impress them. Employers want obedient workers with good social skills. Hmmmmm...

I would QFT this a million times if I could.

With the exception of few professions (those in science, medicine and engineering, definitely,) then a degree is of limited use.



No, a business degree provides you with a valuable skill set.



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28 Dec 2010, 4:56 am

Is it the degree or the knowledge that makes it useful though?

I'm a certified machinist and my certification says that I am proficient in the use of a mill, lathe or precision grinder. In truth I can only use the mill or lathe sufficiently to consider myself qualified to use one. It's the knowledge not the paper that makes you what you are once you get your foot in the door.


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