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12 Sep 2015, 12:02 pm

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Yes it is bias against us but I can't blame them, cops aren't hiring anybody in wheelchairs so our disability can and does get held against us.

That's not a good comparison. People in wheelchairs cannot perform the duties of a police officer, but the thread is about people with AS who can perform the job duties but are discriminated against for reasons unrelated to their job performance.



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12 Sep 2015, 12:20 pm

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Yes it is bias against us but I can't blame them, cops aren't hiring anybody in wheelchairs so our disability can and does get held against us.

That's not a good comparison. People in wheelchairs cannot perform the duties of a police officer, but the thread is about people with AS who can perform the job duties but are discriminated against for reasons unrelated to their job performance.


Social cohesion and being able to work with others could be considered part of your job performance, if I were hiring somebody that I have to work with everyday then it makes perfectly logical sense that they'd choose somebody they think can fit in.

AS needs to recognized as much serious disability than it is especially if 80% of us are unemployed, this stereotype that we're all little professors with these special abilities and skills hurts us just as much as anything. I hate hearing Einstein, Bill Gates, whoever they throw out there, what they are saying is hey they did great things without help so get bent.



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12 Sep 2015, 12:40 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
Yes it is bias against us but I can't blame them, cops aren't hiring anybody in wheelchairs so our disability can and does get held against us.

That's not a good comparison. People in wheelchairs cannot perform the duties of a police officer, but the thread is about people with AS who can perform the job duties but are discriminated against for reasons unrelated to their job performance.


Social cohesion and being able to work with others could be considered part of your job performance, if I were hiring somebody that I have to work with everyday then it makes perfectly logical sense that they'd choose somebody they think can fit in.

Social cohesion is the responsibility of all the employees at a given jobsite, not just the new hire. Individual responsibility shouldn't extend far beyond basic courtesy. Making people like you, not bully you, and not take offense because you don't talk much or don't want to go out drinking and partying after work should not be a part of anyone's job description. It is impossible to control others' perspectives and actions.

It may be logical to hire people who fit in with the office full of bullies who take their workplace for a social event, but it's still unfair discrimination. Actually, preferring to hire quieter, less social, hard-working employees is what is more logical because that is what's going to make the business most successful. Not being biased towards irrelevant personality traits and filling the office with bullies and xenophobes who later create social cohesion problems for new hires is also logical.

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AS needs to recognized as much serious disability than it is especially if 80% of us are unemployed, this stereotype that we're all little professors with these special abilities and skills hurts us just as much as anything. I hate hearing Einstein, Bill Gates, whoever they throw out there, what they are saying is hey they did great things without help so get bent.

I thought it was mostly people with AS who said that Bill Gates and Einstein have/had it, and that they intended it to be uplifting.



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12 Sep 2015, 12:48 pm

starkid wrote:
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Jacoby wrote:
Yes it is bias against us but I can't blame them, cops aren't hiring anybody in wheelchairs so our disability can and does get held against us.

That's not a good comparison. People in wheelchairs cannot perform the duties of a police officer, but the thread is about people with AS who can perform the job duties but are discriminated against for reasons unrelated to their job performance.


Social cohesion and being able to work with others could be considered part of your job performance, if I were hiring somebody that I have to work with everyday then it makes perfectly logical sense that they'd choose somebody they think can fit in.

Social cohesion is the responsibility of all the employees at a given jobsite, not just the new hire. Individual responsibility shouldn't extend far beyond basic courtesy. Making people like you, not bully you, and not take offense because you don't talk much or don't want to go out drinking and partying after work should not be a part of anyone's job description. It is impossible to control others' perspectives and actions.

It may be logical to hire people who fit in with the office full of bullies who take their workplace for a social event, but it's still unfair discrimination. Actually, preferring to hire quieter, less social, hard-working employees is what is more logical because that is what's going to make the business most successful. Not being biased towards irrelevant personality traits and filling the office with bullies and xenophobes who later create social cohesion problems for new hires is also logical.

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AS needs to recognized as much serious disability than it is especially if 80% of us are unemployed, this stereotype that we're all little professors with these special abilities and skills hurts us just as much as anything. I hate hearing Einstein, Bill Gates, whoever they throw out there, what they are saying is hey they did great things without help so get bent.

I thought it was mostly people with AS who said that Bill Gates and Einstein have/had it, and that they intended it to be uplifting.


I dunno who started it but the Gates/Einstein garbage has been thrown in my face since I was diagnosed as a kid. I don't understand how is that suppose to make me feel better, I certainly can't do what they did.

It might not be fair to us but I don't see it ever being rectified, affirmative action maybe? I dunno. Like 80% unemployment is higher the rate for unemployment for all disabilities physical or mental, it's worse than being in a wheelchair. We need more assistance, I don't even know how people survive if that number is true. I'm fortunate enough that my parents just barely make enough to support me and pay my bills for the time being, I'd be homeless otherwise.



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12 Sep 2015, 1:07 pm

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I think most AS people are friendly and considerate. I think virtually all people, whether they are friendly and considerate or not, will be friendly and considerate during a job interview. Saying this is just a smoke screen for what they are really getting at, which is they want a specific type of personality and affability.


Precisely. And yes, the idea presented in that article just burns me up. So unfair. Then why bother with formal interviews, screening credentials etc? Then employers can hold a popularity contest instead. Those charming 'bubbly' personalities can be superficial.


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12 Sep 2015, 1:26 pm

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Then why bother with formal interviews, screening credentials etc? Then employers can hold a popularity contest instead.


Employers could just log on to Facebook and check to see which job applicant has the most "friends."



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12 Sep 2015, 1:32 pm

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Then why bother with formal interviews, screening credentials etc? Then employers can hold a popularity contest instead.


Employers could just log on to Facebook and check to see which job applicant has the most "friends."


I think it is pretty normal now for a lot of HR departments to dig into your social media profile and a lack of might send up a red flag. I've always hated this social networking, that is when the internet got ruined, now its just an extension of real life which I am barely functional in.



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12 Sep 2015, 2:16 pm

I guess it's true that personality cannot be 'faked', but there are fake personalities. Do employers want that?? Or instead genuine skill, talent and motivation.


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12 Sep 2015, 2:45 pm

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I guess it's true that personality cannot be 'faked', but there are fake personalities. Do employers want that?? Or instead genuine skill, talent and motivation.

I think that most NTs do put out a fake persona initially, and the rest of them assume that this is normal. Along comes one of us, and they say " If this is the best this person can fake it, I'd hate to see them on a normal day", not realizing that we don't B.S. So saying that you can't fake personality is just pure nonsense.


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15 Sep 2015, 10:42 pm

I would normally agree that personality traits should be a high priority, but I think they pick the wrong personality traits.


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15 Sep 2015, 11:17 pm

Jacoby wrote:
I think it is pretty normal now for a lot of HR departments to dig into your social media profile and a lack of might send up a red flag.


You were right:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... cious.html



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16 Sep 2015, 3:10 pm

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Personality can be faked for short periods, but once you're out of your comfort zone for too long, your true self bleeds through.


I feel like your personality always has to be faked for the initial interview, but once you get into the work environment, everyone's personality changes. Also, for me, if I have been at a company for about a month and know the ropes it does become my comfort zone and part of my routine. You'd be surprised at how many people will just leave you alone because they do not want to be bothered either. Although, this is highly dependent on which industry you are in. If you are in the tech industry in some capacity, it is much easier to coast on through.