I'm Uncomfortable with you: you're fired.

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UncleBeer
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07 Jan 2008, 2:34 am

Norah_W wrote:
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maritimeblaze17 wrote:
Here in the US you can be fired at any time for any reason.

Not entirely true. Folks in academia often enjoy tenure, and can only be fired after a lengthy and thorough peer review.

What kind of peer review? Wouldn't that mean Aspies would lose out again because their peers didn't like them, and could imply they weren't doing their job? I would hate to ever have to be evaluated by peers!

Take for example the case of Ward Churchill. He's the guy that said that everyone that died at the World Trade Center deserved it because they were "little Eichmann's" (a Nazi war criminal), because they supposedly were part of the whole American military-industrial complex (when in fact they were just office workers...).

Ward was a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado at Boulder. He'd gotten the job partly because he'd advertised himself as being of American Indian ancestry, although later it appeared he had no Indian ancestry whatsoever. A substantial percentage of his body of 'scholarly work' also appeared to be pure plagiarism. The University began a peer review of his work that lasted almost two years, ultimately leading to his firing. No small thing.

My point: despite the fact he'd made himself hugely unpopular with his 9/11 comments, and despite the fact his academic misdeeds were pretty much open-&-shut, he still got the exhaustive peer review the system requires.



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29 Jan 2008, 7:21 pm

maritimeblaze17 wrote:
Now, as this board has members from the UK and other countries, what I am about to post applies only to the US. Here in the US you can be fired at any time for any reason. Conversely you can quit at any time for any reason. The doctrine is "at-will employment". With the exception of Massachusetts and Montana, along with a few other states, employment is "at will" everywhere else. That is, if the boss doesn't like an employee, doesn't like the way he/she dresses, and so forth, he has every legal right to fire the employee. The same applies to employees; they can leave their jobs at any time, with or without advance notice.

So yes, your boss can fire you if he doesn't like you. I've heard that, of the vast majority of firings that take place, the reason why employees are let go is because they couldn't get along with their coworkers. That is, while they were competent at their jobs, they didn't fit in or they clashed with management.


WOW! 8O Being from the UK where it's actually pretty difficult to fire someone I find that simply astounding. I had no idea it was so easy to lose your job in the US. That is brutal and I think I personally would have spent most of my working life jobless if that had been the case.



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30 Jan 2008, 1:39 am

As others have noted, the higher level jobs don't have as big an issue. I worked in Silicon Valley for many years, and nobody even noticed. I was only slightly more quirky than other engineers.

Personally, I've found it a lot more comfortable to work for small companies, where the owners are doing some of the work themselves.



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31 Jan 2008, 9:11 pm

Yeah, Temple Grandin once wrote that an ASD person needs to be exceptionally good at their job to balance out a lack of social skills.



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04 Feb 2008, 11:56 am

UncleBeer wrote:
maritimeblaze17 wrote:
Here in the US you can be fired at any time for any reason.

Not entirely true. Folks in academia often enjoy tenure, and can only be fired after a lengthy and thorough peer review.


It's difficult to fire people who belong to unions, too. It's one of the reasons my Dad hates working in places with unions, because it's almost impossible for the company to fire deadbeat workers because of the union.