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13 Sep 2014, 1:08 pm

If your incapable of holding down a job why might that annoy people?



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13 Sep 2014, 1:19 pm

I suspect it's because people want others to have money so they can do more stuff in our capitalist society. If you change jobs often or hold few jobs long, chances are you'll have less money to spend on people-- which is annoying because they have to pay for the both of you to do stuff. Also people identify each other based on what someone does for a living. I don't really talk about my job because people think it's lowly of someone with my "smarts", however I still have challenges with basic things people take for granted, which also annoys them because they want someone who will help them not hinder them.

So it is a lot to do with what people feel is important.

I don't care if my friends have money because there are plenty of things to do for free, if I had any. I pay $15 a month to socialize on a game, so even that's not free. If I didn't have my job I couldn't pay that fee so I would have an even more diminished social life I suppose.

Personally I hate capitalism and I feel that people should earn merit rather than money. Money shouldn't even exist as it is today. We should just go back to trading for goods and services and being decent people that won't screw others out of their fare share. /end rant. :)



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13 Sep 2014, 1:23 pm

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If your incapable of holding down a job why might that annoy people?

It doesn't annoy me, but, unless you have a medical or psychological reason for this incapability, don't expect ongoing government assistance.


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13 Sep 2014, 3:47 pm

Perhaps because they have adopted the mindset that everyone must "earn" her living and "contribute" to society (which usually refers to paid employment; other sorts of contributions tend to not matter as much), and they resent and/or pity and/or misunderstand and/or project some other unknowable attitude on anyone who does not (or even cannot) fit into the work-earn mold. They also tend to assume that such a person is taking away from others who work, usually in the form of public assistance benefits.



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13 Sep 2014, 3:50 pm

They take that as a sign that you're irresponsible. This obviously isn't true for all cases, and it's sad that there are people who'd make assumptions without taking time to understand someone's situation.


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15 Sep 2014, 9:56 am

The unfortunate assumption is that by not holding down employment, you are somehow irresponsible or deficient. Sometimes you have to just love the human tendency to jump to conclusions. In actuality, I'll guess that you haven't found the right job just yet. I think at 37, I might have just stumbled upon the right job for me: truck driving. Once you find something that you really and truly like to do that fits your disposition, you'll do well. Here I am a little over a month later and things are still "trucking along." Usually after one month would be the beginning of the downfall in a traditional office job for me. Fissures would begin to form in my relationships with co-workers ultimately culminating in my needing to resign.

When you find the right environment, it will all fall into place. I have a great relationship with my boss because, unlike other truck drivers, I use please and thank you and I don't sweat the small stuff. There isn't this complex social dynamic that has to take place. With basic politeness, I get everything I need. My boss surprised me today by telling me he's going to give me a brand new Kenworth T680 when they receive the next batch in November. New drivers ALMOST NEVER get new equipment so I managed to master this social dynamic.

Don't worry, you'll find your niche and the gears will mesh.



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15 Sep 2014, 10:28 am

Jamesy wrote:
If your incapable of holding down a job why might that annoy people?

Because people assume you're lazy, and irresponsible.


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15 Sep 2014, 1:36 pm

mattschwartz01 wrote:
The unfortunate assumption is that by not holding down employment, you are somehow irresponsible or deficient. Sometimes you have to just love the human tendency to jump to conclusions. In actuality, I'll guess that you haven't found the right job just yet. I think at 37, I might have just stumbled upon the right job for me: truck driving. Once you find something that you really and truly like to do that fits your disposition, you'll do well. Here I am a little over a month later and things are still "trucking along." Usually after one month would be the beginning of the downfall in a traditional office job for me. Fissures would begin to form in my relationships with co-workers ultimately culminating in my needing to resign.

When you find the right environment, it will all fall into place. I have a great relationship with my boss because, unlike other truck drivers, I use please and thank you and I don't sweat the small stuff. There isn't this complex social dynamic that has to take place. With basic politeness, I get everything I need. My boss surprised me today by telling me he's going to give me a brand new Kenworth T680 when they receive the next batch in November. New drivers ALMOST NEVER get new equipment so I managed to master this social dynamic.

Don't worry, you'll find your niche and the gears will mesh.


Congrats on the upgrade. That is a very sweet ride!

The boss also knows you won't wreck the cabin with food, drink and other assorted foolery.

It is very very hard to find good OTR drivers. Hell, they rejoice here, when one passes the DOT drug screen. Lol...



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16 Sep 2014, 12:17 pm

I think because they don't want to pay for your living through their tax money. But I think if you aren't on disability or on any welfare or other, it shouldn't be a problem for others and they should mind their own business. If your parents are fine with supporting you, then I try and mind my own business about it. But I know for a fact it would annoy me as a parent if my children refused to go out and get a job because no way am I supporting them for the rest of my life and having them eat up all my food and using our AC and electricity, water, filling up our trash can, buying their toiletries. But like I say, if your parents are fine with it, then I don't see the problem.

Plus people love to be all judgmental and automatically assume someone just doesn't want to work. My husband is disabled and he would love to work and he feels like a burden. He can't write well due to his disability, he can't be on his feet long due to disability, he can't drive due to seizures, he can't do anything and him pushing himself to live a normal life by working is what got him sick because he made himself do what his body couldn't handle. He has told me he isn't as judgmental anymore about other people not working because of pain they are in. He had always believed you can do anything you set your mind to and he still believes that.

I do admit it does annoy me that someone doesn't work because they can't find a job they like or want or that meets their special interests and because they don't want a job that is below their intelligent level or because they just would rather do their interests than work or simply because they don't have to and they are on food stamps or disability or welfare. Unless they are rich and don't need to make a living or have found a way to live without getting checks from the government or because their parents choose to support that lifestyle they have or their spouse, then who am I to judge? Pretty much everyone would quit working if they didn't have to.


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26 Jan 2015, 11:02 am

Jamesy wrote:
If your incapable of holding down a job why might that annoy people?

I think it's envy. They hate their jobs and they feel underpaid. Then they see people getting paid out of "their" taxes for doing nothing. You may be incapable of holding down a job, but if your disability isn't blindingly obvious, they may try to pretend that you're fit for work, otherwise they don't have a case. They may assume that their pay would go up if there was no welfare system, which seems odd, because in spite of the gradual erosion of welfare over the past few decades, salaries and wages haven't increased, except at the top end which is where I suspect most of the resentment comes from.

The stigma is propagated to the proletariat by the tabloid press as well as by government. One of our gutter rags, "The Sun" has just done a front page about one supposed benefit cheat, then they found another one a couple of days later and did another front page on him. So the unsuspecting readers get trained into thinking that the main problem with the benefits system is that it's being duped out of millions by work-shy scum. There's never any balancing stories about those who are wrongly denied benefits and suffer hardship. They don't talk about employers having it too much their own way or the increasing gap between rich and poor.

Another problem is that as wages are cut, a working person can find themselves financially worse off than some benefit claimants. Hardly surprising with all these unpaid internships and zero-hour contracts. Interestingly, the call tends to be for benefit cuts rather than a minimum living wage. It seems that right-wing people prefer to drag everybody down to their level rather than try to improve their own lot. I find that really odd, because the right regularly accuses the left of doing exactly that.

I've heard that phrase that Starkid referred to - "contributing to society" - and I agree it's strange that they seem to define it purely as doing a job, which to me seems more like contributing to a rich man's pockets, playing straight into their hands.

I suppose I escape a lot of the resentment because I simply worked, saved up and retired early, having realised that benefits are unreliable, inadequate, and demeaning and frustrating to claim. So nobody can accuse me of living off their taxes. I always paid taxes when I had an income, but being rather left-wing, I believe in progressive taxation, and never resented it being spent on caring for the disabled and the unemployed.



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26 Jan 2015, 11:54 am

I think it may be the reason you can't hold down a job that can annoy people. If people feel that it's something you can or should be able to help then they feel that you aren't trying. I don't think it's jealousy or capitalism or anything like that. It's really just people feeling that when they can't see the problem, then it must not be something that major. Lots of people get fired because they are perfectly capable of doing their jobs but don't want to do it so they don't. Lots of other people won't take a job if it doesn't appeal to them. When people can't see a disability you have, then they tend to lump you into the lazy category if you can't hold down your job. Some people will see the things you can't tolerate as petty and feel that you should simply make yourself ignore them, etc.

I've had many jobs and only been fired once, and that was because the girl who used to have the job wanted it back and it was in a little store down here. I've kept every other job I had as long as I wanted and needed it. However, I'm mainly a housewife and have been one for most of my married life. Lots of people see that as lazy, especially people who don't see or know what all I actually do around here. In fact, one douchebag here once said that I just lay around watching soap operas and eating bonbons all day and squandering my poor husbands hard earned money because I don't work. That dude was ignorant, for real! I get sick of people saying housewives are lazy. We do everything for the home and family, especially the old school ones like me. It would cost more than it would pay for me to buy a car and drive to the city where any work is, anyway.

Are you unable to hold down a job and are people giving you trouble for it?


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