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18 Jan 2015, 12:25 pm

There are a few girls in my area who work as strippers while in school to make extra money. I have been considering this for a while - I have a "model body" (tall, very skinny and fit), love dancing, like showing off my body/being naked in front of people, etc. I am really not sure what else I can do to make extra money considering my schedule is completely full between 10 and 5-6 pm every day, so I can only expect to get any sort of extra job in the evenings. I have two questions, though:

1) Is it possible to be a stripper/club dancer without having to talk to guys while on the job (i.e. just dance and perhaps some nonverbal gestures)? I can come off as normal until I start talking verbally to people.

2) Is is dangerous future career-wise? Can people find out that you were a stripper and have it impact your future prospects? I would like to become a child therapist in the future so I'm sort of concerned.

I make very little money now so I really would love to find a way to make more if possible to afford things like speech therapy and laser eye surgery. :(


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18 Jan 2015, 4:28 pm

1) Not likely. Only the most popular girls make the best money. They also seem to be employed more often.

2) Likely. Unless you can somehow hide your identity under an assumed name, you are likely to be recognized by someone, either a current classmate or a future co-worker.


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18 Jan 2015, 4:48 pm

MathGirl wrote:
There are a few girls in my area who work as strippers while in school to make extra money.

2) Is is dangerous future career-wise? Can people find out that you were a stripper and have it impact your future prospects? I would like to become a child therapist in the future so I'm sort of concerned.
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This is an issue right now for people who work with kids. Cameras are everywhere--and the sensitivity in low light for the better ones is remarkable. The technology for matching up images with names is only going to get better.



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18 Jan 2015, 7:30 pm

Stripper is a very dangerous profession...for many reasons.

Do you want your kids to see you with a black eye? How about your supervisors?

Or maybe you might need a "vacation" which will be taken in a hospital room.

Don't even do it to show up "the system." Find some other mode of rebellion.

I know you hate those data entry jobs....don't they provide free speech therapy in Canada?



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18 Jan 2015, 9:51 pm

You'd be better off becoming a dog trainer or dog sitter, a security guard, a house sitter, a yoga instructor, a golf caddie, or a hired driver. You'd be better off modelling for an oil painting class, or participating in consumer research, or participating in a jury study, or providing some kind of child care or tutoring.

Strippers are subject to physical dangers, and employers will turn up their noses if they suspect you were a stripper. And they will suspect, because your future employers might be in the audience. If they hired you after having been in the audience, you might have some very complex problems.



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18 Jan 2015, 10:49 pm

Thanks for the insight and advice. I cannot drive because of my learning disability (visual processing issues) and I have a fear of dogs so no dog-related jobs for me. Everything else is fair game. I'll probably look around on Kijiji or Craigslist. I'm just very wary of scams.

Also, no, speech therapy is not free here. It's not covered by the provincial medical plan (OHIP). Maybe it would be covered by disability, but I have chosen not to go on disability for multiple reasons. Even data entry would be fine, I don't mind it as long as it's no more than 3 hours-ish at a time. I would prefer something more physically active, though.


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19 Jan 2015, 12:13 pm

I'll say the opposite of what everyone has said. I have known a few strippers/sex workers so that is what I am basing this on.

1. Sort of. You can find a place that will probably just let you dance on the pole for tips, but the big money in stripping is in personal dances. You have to go talk to the guys and kinda sell yourself. Though to be honest, guys at clubs dont really care what your saying, they care about what you are(aren't) wearing. If you look good you'll make money regardless of what you say or sound like.

2. No. Not at all. Strip clubs are dark, people are drunk, no one will remember you that well. And if they do recognize you, they probably wont mention it (mutually assured destruction). I knew a girl who made videos on the internet to pay for college. She has a real job. The HR guy at her work even found her videos and told her as much, but he didn't care. "I was young and I needed the money" makes sense to a lot of people now.

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Pick a safe club with people who will watch out for you.
If you want a job being naked and dancing there are a LOT of options besides stripping. Caming for instance.



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19 Jan 2015, 1:01 pm

If you put yourself into situations where bad things can happen, then eventually there's a good chance something bad will happen to you. Working in a strip club is one of these situations. Please consider this before you get a sex industry type job. :)


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20 Jan 2015, 11:43 am

Yeah yeah yeah....there might be some "nice" strip clubs.

But the potential for blackmail and violence is always there.



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20 Jan 2015, 6:10 pm

Hell no, don't do it. Respect yourself. End of story.



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21 Jan 2015, 9:26 am

MathGirl wrote:
There are a few girls in my area who work as strippers while in school to make extra money. I have been considering this for a while - I have a "model body" (tall, very skinny and fit), love dancing, like showing off my body/being naked in front of people, etc. I am really not sure what else I can do to make extra money considering my schedule is completely full between 10 and 5-6 pm every day, so I can only expect to get any sort of extra job in the evenings. I have two questions, though:

1) Is it possible to be a stripper/club dancer without having to talk to guys while on the job (i.e. just dance and perhaps some nonverbal gestures)? I can come off as normal until I start talking verbally to people.

2) Is is dangerous future career-wise? Can people find out that you were a stripper and have it impact your future prospects? I would like to become a child therapist in the future so I'm sort of concerned.

I make very little money now so I really would love to find a way to make more if possible to afford things like speech therapy and laser eye surgery. :(

I understand the frustration. I had to work three minimum wage jobs, like 60 hours a week, just to make ends meet when I was in college. And my cousin who was a stripper could pull that in on a good weekend.
It wasn't ever an option for me, I don't like the people and the noise of the clubs, I have some bodily scarring, and all of the clubs were in bad neighborhoods where things could go wrong after dark.

I do usually encourage people to play to any strengths they have and try to monetize it, but, with the internet and cell phones being what they are, even if you worked a club in a nice neighborhood, this could come back to haunt you professionally later on.

Maybe there are more professionally respectable ways to leverage this? Perhaps working for art schools or in a gallery class as a model, and you wouldn't have to talk there.
It probably pays less, but, removes the 'unprofessional' connotations that sexually oriented nudity has and the reactions that tends to bring out in people.



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21 Jan 2015, 9:45 am

In my opinion, don't do it. Find another part time job. Do you really want that sort of attention? What if someone starts to notice you and notices that you are a bit different than the others? People with autism do come off as different. In that environment, it isn't about dancing and art; it is about people looking at you like a sex object (in my opinion) and to do that you have to be very tough and street savvy. And it could affect your future, depending on the job you want later on.

It might seem like an easy option, but unless you are really street savvy and tough, it is not the job for you. Don't do it! Find another way. There are other jobs. Just my opinion. What if the boss looks at you funny? Do you know your rights in that environment? Is it safe? What if you meet someone who recognizes you? And people record things; what if it gets on the youtube or something? Think very carefully before even going down this road. It might seem like an easy answer but I don't think everyone can do it. I think you'd have to be VERY TOUGH with a rhino hide.



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21 Jan 2015, 11:24 am

I used to work in a strip club. I was 19 at the time, which was the legal drinking age here and the owner of the club knew me and my family so I was only allowed to waitress or tend bar but never, ever dance. Sammy even made me wear jeans most of the time and told me I couldn't wear short shorts even though I'd get better tips if I did. I have a good body too, so I could have made money dancing or wearing revealing stuff waiting tables and all.

This was a good club, not one of the redneck dives where the dancers are covered in tattoos and scars or have lots of legal trouble, etc.

You make the money by talking to the guys. You get some tips dancing but the way it works down here is the guy buys you a drink and you sit with him and talk and drink your drink. The drinks were watered down wine or they might buy a bottle of champagne. The problem with talking to the guys is that it's not just sitting there making small talk or carrying on a normal but flirty conversation, it's usually pretty dirty. Complete strangers talking fairly dirty to me makes me pretty uncomfortable and on top of that there is a good chance that you will not only not be attracted to most of them, you may very well be completely turned off or repulsed by them. I'm pretty good at shooting the s**t and all that and I can deal with BS like that from time to time but I can't even carry that kind of stuff off for an extended period every workday. I would feel too much of an urge to insult them and not be able to restrain myself I think.

As for the being recognized, I don't know. If you don't have to get a dancing license to work there, like you do down here, and if you don't have to fill out a W2 and don't get a salary and only work for tips like you do down here, then there would be no official of it but then again, like some people said, nowdays people can film you with their phones and put it online so you have that to deal with too.

As for the danger warnings you have gotten, it's really not that dangerous. At any decent club there is going to be a bouncer who will walk or watch you to your car, and they do keep a good eye on security because if it's dangerous in their club then they won't get the good ones working there. Lots of the girls had their boyfriends or husbands drop them off and pick them up and that made it extra safe at quitting time because most of the girls I worked with were old ladies of bikers. No matter what your opinion is on bikers, I can tell you that they will step up in a heartbeat if somebody messes with one of the dancers even if it's not their old lady.

I'd say that it's a good way to make easy money if you can deal with talking to dirty old (and young, and sometimes gross) men. I've sat at tables with some of the girls there and chatted with them when there were several girls sitting with one or two guys. They look at you like they are about to hop in the sack with you and will actually sometimes even tell you what they want to do to you and actually expect you to talk to them about sex and what you like or don't like etc. Of course it's not always that way and not every guy is that way, some do try and just talk normally to you, and we had some regulars there who used the dancers basically as a rent-a-friend type thing and some who were genuinely nice and who became actual friends with several of the dancers and their husbands or boyfriends and such. Mostly however it was just all about the sex that they were never going to have with you.

There was this one old fat guy with greasy bright yellow hair named Ralph (yes, really, Ralph)who came in three or four times a week who was sort of a sugar daddy to a few of the girls. He talked to all of them, but Corey and Linda in particular. Corey was an older dumpy redheaded white lady who looked like a worn out version of Miss Kitty on Gunsmoke and Linda was a tall, glamorous young black lady with a killer body. Now I don't know what he normally did with them on the nights he took them out, but he did buy them a car to share with each other so I imagine it was a lot more than chatting. Ralph was interested in every girl in there but Corey and Linda said he couldn't get it up, ever, at all and he just liked to watch. He even had a go go pole installed in his livingroom. Really. Anyway, he would take them out two or three times a week and he was interested in me when I started working there. I was young, and fairly innocent back then and he wanted me to come with them one night when they went out. The girls promised me I wouldn't be touched or have to do anything (or watch anything) sexual, so I decided to go just to see what it was like.

We met at the club and went in his car, which was a new Lincoln and really nice. Ralph had money and dressed really well and was articulate, he just seemed ot have something against showering because not only was his hair greasy but he smelled bad. Anyway, I sat in the back seat with Corey and Linda sat up front all cuddled up to Ralph and we went first to the mall to the Fredricks of Hollywood store ( 'member them??) where he bought each of us an outfit that he chose. We all tried on several things and modeled them for him there, and I don't remember what they got but I got a suede skirt and vest set with a thin white long sleeve top that tied at the waist and showed a little tummy, and some very high heeled boots. Yes, it's cheap stuff but hey thats what he wanted us to wear. Then we went out to dinner. I don't remember which place we went but it was a very nice restaurant and we were there for about two and a half hours. He encouraged all of us to order whatever we wanted, no matter the price and the girls reassured me that it wasn't rude of me to get the lobster even though it was one of the most expensive things on the menu. Everybody got lots of drinks and Ralph ate more than I had ever seen anyone eat at one time, and had a pretty high booze tolerance too. I hadn't ever drank much then so two drinks got me really buzzed and that was all I wanted of the liqour.

Then we went back to his house. He had a VERY nice house and lived alone and was single. It was neat and well kept, and decorated obviously by someone who wasn't him and you could tell he had a housekeeper too. He did have the gogo pole in the livingroom (actually the den, the livingroom wasn't comfortable looking and didn't seem to get much use) and thats where we sat while the girls cuddled up to Ralph, talked him out of pills that they took right then, and gossiped about the other girls at work. He gave Corey a package that had come in the mail that day and she unwrapped it and it was a vibrator with lots of attachments. I had never seen anything like that before, and was kind of uncomfortable but as promised nothing was done near me or even said to me out of the way. They went into another room for a while and Linda and I watched his HBO and then Corey came back out and he and Linda went back in the other room where I guess the vibrator was. Corey gave me a ride back to the club and dropped me off and went back. It was a very strange evening, but he had been polite to me and hadn't said dirty or rude things to me or looked at me dirty and he asked me normal questions and we made normal small talk. The girls said he wasn't that way with them, in private. After that night they told me several times that he wanted me to go back out with them and that he didn't seem to have any plans to try and do anything with me, but he liked my innocence. I never went back out with them again, I felt that might be pushing my luck because at that point Ralph seemed like just a nice, if extremely creepy, man and I was content to leave things that way.

Thats my strangest experience from the strip club, but it's also probably one of the least gross encounters that are typically had by a girl working there and a customer. If the table conversations were like it was that night then I could have easily been a dancer, but some of the things I heard while working there were just beyond the pale.


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23 Jan 2015, 4:30 am

The question is, what is the definition of 'easy' money. To put yourself in that situation and turn yourself into a sex object-I wouldn't call that easy work.



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23 Jan 2015, 7:49 am

It's a very, very social job and to get great money in tips (the bulk of the wages by far) you'll need to basically master social skills - which means pretending like you're interested or want to have sex with several disgusting drunk men on a nightly basis. I've never been to a strip club and I'm not female so I'm not even going to attempt to emphasize what you're asking about because I can't, I just know from friends and family that have worked as strippers that it is a very shady and dangerous profession that you can't make a decent living off of.

There are plenty of good night time jobs you can get, I've worked nights my whole life. Most of the better paying jobs are both part time and overnight, if you just need to survive at school or something. I drive for fedex and half the warehouse floor loading my trailers are kids attending the U of U, they work usually 8pm-2am and make around 17 an hour. They're also pretty empathetic about finals week, second jobs, among other things. There's a lot out there, you don't have to sell your soul to the devil to make money while in school.


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23 Jan 2015, 9:55 am

I'm not a moralist by any means.

But stripping is sucky work, it's a means to blackmail you, you could get hurt, and it's demeaning.

Maybe you could do online tutoring?