My son is newly diagnosed and I need all the Help I can get.
Regarding Aspergers, I thought they usually developed pretty good language skills early on. My son was a late speaker (started speaking in very short sentences around 2), but then lost a lot of the words within a few months of gaining them (a little before he turned 3). In the last 2 weeks we have forced him to speak, so he is speaking a little more now. This doesn't seem to fit anything that I have read.
Also, my son loves books, letters and numbers, but he is not good with most of the skills that the school tested. He is not good with imitating what they asked him to do (like building blocks) but he is pretty good at imitating movements or funny faces. He is also not good at following their directions, but interestingly enough, he was able to sit with them for about 20-25 minutes while they "quizzed" him, before he got restless.
Does any of that sound like Aspergers?
My son has Aspergers and was delayed in speech. He always had speech, he was just behind his peers. he cought up quick with speech therapy and now tests above average in all his speech testing.My son never regressed in speech or lost speech.
My son tought himself all letters, upper and lowercase and their sounds and examples of words that start with each sound. he knew numbers, shapes colors, etc..all before 2 1/2. To this day my son is quick to learn and ahead ofhis peers academically, especially in math.
my son has hard time imitating block patterns to this day, part of his visual motor integration issues.
Time will tell, hang in there!
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Dara, mom to my beautiful kids:
J- 8, diagnosed Aspergers and ADHD possible learning disability due to porcessing speed, born with a cleft lip and palate.
M- 5
M-, who would be 6 1/2, my forever angel baby
E- 1 year old!! !
Hi major autistic traits are, sometimes he acts as if he if deaf so you have to talk to him a lot to get him to do anything you want him to do. He has poor eye contact with anyone apart from his immediate family and sitter, he doesn't paly with his cousins and not so much anymore with his brother (he used to play a lot more with them), he sometimes spins but if I stop him he doesn't seem to care. He toe walks sometimes, but doesn't care if I stop him.
He is not big on routines and seems indifferent if they are changed. But, he wont point at most things to show me. He will mostly point in the books or if it's fairly close by. I have to really work to keep him interested in playing catch. His favorite toys are books, he does picture reading, basically paraphrasing the pages we read.
Getting him to build blocks like what I do, basically copy me, is like pulling teeth. I can barely get him to follow a simple 4 block pattern like what I do. He knows almost all his shapes, numbers and colors and has a thing for car logos. He will go on the swing with his father but only for a min with me. He will paly at the park if I lead, but if I stop leading, he wants to walk under the jungle jim back and forth. He will run away from anyone if he gets the chance.
He also seems to need to figure out things by putting them in his mounth. He wants to taste everything and has a preference for crunchy things but will reluctantly eat other things (I have to bribe him with juice to eat his dinner). He loves to hug and kiss.
When the school assessed him, he couldn't do a lot of sime tasks (putting things in, on, or under) but when he is at home, depending on his mood, he will followthose commands and he knows what they mean.
Hehas a hard time follow anything more than 1 command at a time.
I am wondering now if he is "slow" or if he is autistic. He clearly has developmental delays, but I would like to understand it better so that I can help him. Also, with autistic toddler, is there a difference between can't or wont?
I just want to make sure that after we die, my son is able to fend for himself and wont be taken advantage of. Thanks in advance for your help.
OK, re-reading your post now.
My son, with Asperger's Syndrome seems quite different from yours: while in retrospect, I realize a lot of the things we struggled with were due to autism, they didn't appear like it at the time, so I don't really have good insight. I will say this - the more I am around autistic kids, the more I realize how different they all are - but yet with a certain commonality. I think all of them are lacking in some kind of connectedness, for lack of a better way to put it, even if this deficit is expressed in all kinds of different ways and comes in all kinds of intensities. I'm hearing that as I read your post.
One of the things we learned early on, when we weren't sure if my son had Asperger's or not: when we treated him as though he had Asperger's and followed parenting for AS kids, everybody's life got better. I think that is a better way to think about it: what will work for you and make your child's life (and your life) better: diagnoses matter less than strategies.
Unfortunately, sometimes insurances don't see things that way and aren't willing to pay for therapies without a label, but if you can get the school district to offer therapy, that's not really a barrier.
It sounds like you are having some struggles communicating - I really liked this article about changing your communication style to something more visual. A lot of parents here (including myself) have had a lot of success using visual tools, even with very verbal children - from PECS to visual schedules to cartoon social stories. http://www.everydayhealth.com/autism/le ... guage.aspx
It also sounds like you are struggling to engage. Is it because he is distracted by something he finds more interesting? I often use my son's interests as a "window" to where he is; as a place to start to bring him where I'd like him to be. http://autism.about.com/b/2007/08/07/wh ... c-kids.htm
When they are little and so high functioning it can be hard to get the ASD diagnosis.
What changed in your son from age 3 to 6 so that he was diagnosed?
My son's eye contact is only good with immediate family, it is poor with everyone else. He has very little imaginative play, will sometimes spin and occasionally toe walk. His speach is really all over the place and doesn't seem to follow a pattern. I am still stunned that just us (family), with no training have gotten him to speak in 2 weeks, just by telling him he has to ask for what he wants.
Also, I think since he has gotten so much attention (and lots of walks) he seems so mellow now. He is just so easy going about anything (except being misunderstood or not getting his own way). He has also learned in the last 2 weeks, "If you do...then you will get...". I didn't think he would understand, but he does.
Thanks for your response momsparky. I should explain with the communication issue. It's not that he doesn't understand what I am telling him to do, it's that he will ignore me the first 4-5 times I call his name and then if I change the tone of my voice, like I am getting angry, he will turn around. If my husbands calls his name sternly, he will respond. But if I just call him in my regular voice, he will ignore me. He now asks for something in the form of a question. He will say, "Do you want orange juice?" and then I will ask him if he wants orange juice, then he will say, "I want orange juice". He wasn't even doing this 2 weeks ago. But he was doing better, 8 months ago. He told his father this morning, unpromted that he likes to swing. So there are things he can say, unprompted. We don't really need pictures right now because I can understand him, even though his language is jumbled.
Regard getting him engaged, that's a little different. He has to be interested. So, he likes to read and will happily get a book and bring it to me for me to read it, if I tell him to get the book. Otherwise, he will try to read the book himself. He isn't bothered though if I pick up his book while he is reading it to read with him or do something else. He has no issues with transitioning or doing something new, or going to somewhere new or even meeting complete strangers. In fact, he seems to like it. I am not sure if that is just the baby in him.
If he is not too interested, I have to really work to keep him engaged. And, I think he only goes along with it because I get so excited when I try to engage it. He is a laugher and it's pretty easy to get him to crack up. I think what throws people off is when he laughs, his whole face lights up.
But even with all of that, when we go to someone's house, he gets obsessed with the TV, always pressing the buttons and always wants to play with their light switch. Total contradiction.
When they are little and so high functioning it can be hard to get the ASD diagnosis.
What changed in your son from age 3 to 6 so that he was diagnosed?
My son's eye contact is only good with immediate family, it is poor with everyone else. He has very little imaginative play, will sometimes spin and occasionally toe walk. His speach is really all over the place and doesn't seem to follow a pattern. I am still stunned that just us (family), with no training have gotten him to speak in 2 weeks, just by telling him he has to ask for what he wants.
Also, I think since he has gotten so much attention (and lots of walks) he seems so mellow now. He is just so easy going about anything (except being misunderstood or not getting his own way). He has also learned in the last 2 weeks, "If you do...then you will get...". I didn't think he would understand, but he does.
A lot of my sons behaviors at 3 were typical or acceptable for a 3yo, as he got older he didnt shed some of them, and to this day still acts or reacts like a 3yo. Social demands get greater as they age. He could get away with hugging peers and people at 3, it was cute. Not so cute for a 5 and 6yo to still approach people with hugs, and not get that they are stiffening up and trying to get away. See, you wouldnt worry if a 3yo didnt get it, but by 5-6 they should know better. My son didnt/doesnt.
Also his behaviors. It is ok for 3yos to be stubborn, want their way all the time, be egocentric, self centered, the world revolves around them. Not so much as they age. It is ok for 3yo to grab a toy, and to yelll out in anger, or throw themselves on the floor in a tantrum. Not so much for a 6yo.
My son hasnt cought on to body language, social cues, personal space, he has issues transitioning, sensory issues, he is still obsessed with his interests, and wants to talk to everyone about them, etc...things that if done by a 3yo no one worries. it is immature behavior, and they should grow out of it or start picking up cues. not the case with my son. My NT almost 3yo picks up on these things already. I have to teach them to my 6yo son.
Also, after reading thru your replies, I think that you may have some stereotypical views of people with autism, I am not saying this in a bad or mean way, just that your pic of autism may be squed by the media or stereotypical thinking. i think those who dont know all about autism think that autism is either classic autism where kids have no communication, and many stims, or Rain Man Aspergers. There are many variations and many differences...kids with autism can be charming, charasmatic, funny, interactive (in their own ways), they have interests, likes and dislikes, they can have amazing eye contact and insight, they tend to be quirky, super smart, do things a round about way or different way then neurotypical kids.
Some of hte things you say about your son that make you think he doesnt have autism is why I thought the above. I say do some reading and researching on Autism, specifically high functioning or Aspergers. When my son was little I didnt know much either, and I was a special ed teacher!! ! I didnt think ASD for my son casue he made great eye contact, had imaginative and immitative play, was freindly and outgoing, etc...even after he got diagnosed, I was confused as to how he could have ASD...I did reading and realized he had it all along, I was just misreading all of his behaviors and had that stereotypical view of autism and Aspergers to go by.
Anyhow, sounds like your son is a fun kid, enjoy him and good luck!
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Dara, mom to my beautiful kids:
J- 8, diagnosed Aspergers and ADHD possible learning disability due to porcessing speed, born with a cleft lip and palate.
M- 5
M-, who would be 6 1/2, my forever angel baby
E- 1 year old!! !
Sometimes, I find that it helps to imagine that autistic children have physical disabilities instead of these neurological differences, because it helps highlight the differences in OUR behavior. So, let's imagine that your son needs, but is without, glasses and is somewhat hard of hearing. If you communicated with him in pictures, do you think he would respond better? My son is hyperverbal - he has almost a college-level vocabulary in both expressive and receptive language - but we find that if we use pictures or simple written phrases to direct him, he's much more responsive; even though he CAN understand words, it's easier for him to use pictures or lists in some situations. Another way to think about it is - if communication is, indeed, the issue and it well might not be - spoken language can seem like a foreign language to a kid on the spectrum: if you're not extremely fluent in another language, doesn't it tire you out, affect your attention, and (if you were in a full-immersion environment) make you want to isolate yourself even if you can speak and understand it?
More conjecture: pragmatics may be coming into play here: http://www.asha.org/public/speech/devel ... matics.htm Yelling is a very clear social signal to pay attention, and you are (unintentionally) reinforcing that signal by yelling more. He may be missing the social signal that he needs to pay attention to other types of speech, too - it may be difficult for him to distinguish you talking directly to him, you talking to someone else, you talking on the phone, etc. unless you are yelling. Can you get his attention by drawing his eye contact to your face with something he likes, cuing him with a phrase, and then rewarding him somehow for attending to you? I know all the yelling is exhausting, we've certainly been there.
You asked about the difference between can't and won't, and I guess what I'm trying to express is that the answer may be somewhere in the middle, in which case meeting him halfway may be helpful.
One thing - there are other neurological conditions that mimic autism and involve a regression in language. I have no idea if this will apply here, but I read about it in another post here and think it's worth bringing up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landau%E2% ... r_syndrome
Thanks for your reply and you are absolutely right, I know absolutely nothing about autism. Up until 2 weeks ago, I thought my son's language skills were poor and he would outgrow it. The pedi never noticed anything. It was my sister's SIL who is a teacher who noticed something and then we all tried to remember when was the first time we noticed anything different (which was about the same time his baby sister was born). Until then, I had only met one non-verbal autistic child who had a lot of other developmental issues.
I am trying to learn all I can now. We have only been dealing with this revelation for 2 weeks so we are no where near being informed about what autism is all about. I feel like I get a better understanding of what is going on when I hear other people's stories and share my son's story. What I don't see in my son is the overstimulation that I read so much about. His 2 main moods are happy or mellow which a few moments of being upset. I guess I was expecting a little more emotional volatility or the other extreme where he would just shut down.
I also don't know if it's because he sings a lot. He sings a lot for a 3 year old. Some songs are from his shows, others are ones he made up. Maybe his singing is his stimulation and that keeps him leveled? I know it sounds out there but I can only tell you what I see. I have been home with him everyday for the past 2 weeks (I normally go into the office 3 days a week) and I a just not seeing the voilent tantrums.
Also, alot of what I am looking for is what the other websites says is the signs of autism. But also, they never tell you how many symptons they need to qualify. I used to have an oral fixation, like my son, which I outgrew (I always need to have a lollipop, now it's gum). I am going to get another opinion at my appt in April. This is all so new and confusing.
I really understand where you're coming from: we got our first diagnosis of autism from the school at the end of 1st grade, and it made absolutely no sense to us at all: we were thinking mood disorder or something else, because it really seemed like my son could communicate well. We finally got a full ADOS when DS was 10, and that was done by a group that offered a very detailed explanation of where his deficits and strengths were and what each one meant (that piece is critical. Make sure your neurologist isn't the type who sticks a label on and goes away - which is what the school did to us.)
The thing to remember is that each child is an individual, and they all have their own unique take on things. One of the issues I have with the current DSM mess is that kids with only 1 or 2 symptoms still need help, even if they don't qualify for the autism label. There are also lots of misconceptions about autism, the biggest one (and the one I had) being that it comes as a very specific package of stuff that is constant all of the time.
Thanks for your reply momsparky. I actually just did a couple tests with him, based off your reponse. I spoke to him with regular voice and asked him to do a few things and he understod what I wanted him to do, and did it, however, on his way, he got distracted by the window handle and i had to remind him, in my regular voice, and he was able to do it.
Where he doesn't respond is, when I call his name. Sometimes when I call his name several times, he doesn't respond. But other times, he comes running to me. He is also very very slow when it comes to putting on his shoes and socks. The PT says I should encourage him to do that for himself. The neurologist did a test with him by jingling some keys behind him and he was indifferent. When he turned on the flash light, he was hooked and was even trying to examing the doctor with it.
So what I am trying to say is his communication is specific to his name and following the directions of some people. He followed the directions of the neurologist, but not the psychologist or speach therapist. Maybe it was the difference in approach.
He definitely has problems following tasks with multiple steps. Would pictures help with that? So he would know what to do next by cataloging the pictures?
YES, definitely; I think this is one of the benefits of using visual schedules. I've found, in general, it's worth giving a trial to different strategies to see what works best for you and your child.
Another word to research is hyperfocus: kids with special interests have a difficult time tearing themselves away from their interests. This may be what's happening rather than a communication breakdown. A lot of this is trial-and-error and detective work on your part.
I checked out hyperfocus and if came up with ADHD. There are 3 things which I see in my son. The hyperfocus, him not sleeping as much as he should, and his impulsiveness. He will run away from us at the drop of a hat. When we are outside, he seems to always be moving (unless he is staring at the plane or cars passing by), but when we are inside, he is atually pretty average, when it comes to his activity level. He can easily sit for meals or for me to read a book to him or even to play with the puzzle.
Regarding LKS, the neurologist does want to do a 24 hour EEG, maybe he was thinking that too. Also, today he has been doing some imaginative play with feeding the baby and talking to his Elmo toy.
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as far as insurance, the best person I have found to ask was the person who handles referrals at my pediatrician's office.... a lot of insurance companies do not cover ABA therapy even with diagnosis, but might still cover speech or OT under ASD or another diagnosis.... our school does an excellent job with pragmatic speech, so we stopped seeing our outside speech therapist...
Thanks for the info.
I have Aetna and it sucks! they said they would pay if it had a "finite" date. Basically, no long term speech therapy, OT, etc. The diagnosis of autism automatically denies treatment. they have a list of what treatment they will pay for with a diagnosis of autism and none of them is any therapy. I will have to see if my husband's insurance is any better.
On a positive note, my son finally answered "My name is ..." which we have been working on for the past 2 weeks. He also has worn a short sleeve shirt for 2 days. Yesterday I had to console him for about 5 minutes. This morning, he cried for about 1 minute. I have been reading a alot about Temple Gradin and I am taking a lot of her advice.
The other thing I did was to call an ABA therapy provider in our area to ask what insurance generally covers ABA therapy. If I had not called them, then I would have never known that my insurance has a supplemental insurance plan to cover therapy, because the insurance company never mentioned it. I don't know if this is at all common with other insurances. Some states mandate coverage, but I don't know a lot about this... all I know is that we are on a border with another state that mandates coverage.
