So-called support groups and the jerk parents in them
HisMom wrote:
Ettina wrote:
I don't get your reaction. What's so smug about that? I mean, some kids start talking and others don't, and there's no way to predict it.
I've told parents similar things when they asked about my milestones. I wasn't saying I was better than their kids or anything, quite the opposite - I was saying I didn't do anything special to end up as high functioni ng as I am, and I can't give them some steps to take with a guarantee that their kid will turn out like me.
Are you sure the issue is her attitude, and not you being jealous of her?
Jealous of her ? Why would I be "jealous of her" ? So you think parents of kids with lower functioning children must be JEALOUS of parents with higher functioning kids if they have a disagreement with them ?
Your answer that you did not take "any special steps" shows how misinfomed you are about child development and I will address that in my next post. While you can obviously not give any guarantees about anything, did you really have to tell them that you cannot give them any guarantees tht their THEIR kids will turn out to be like YOU ? You are so special that you think parents would want their kids to turn out like YOU ?
And, after typing this out, and asking me if I am jealous of the other parent with a high functioning kid, you want me to believe that you don't think and you WEREN'T trying to tell those parents that YOU weren't better than their kids ? Or even THINKING it ? I totally buy that !
The fact that you misinterpreted my post so badly suggests my guess was probably right.
I don't think you have to be jealous of a parent of an HFA kid to disagree with them, but I think in this case you probably were. And I don't think I'm any better than an LFA autistic person - I just happened to have a different kind of brain. Believe it or not, but that's the truth.
And in fact, the parents outright told me they wanted their kids to turn out like me. So I'm not assuming anything there.
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They may be "stuck" at a certain stage for an inordinately long period of time
I think this statement is incorrect, and demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of autism. Autistic neurology is different and separate from NT neurology. An autistic brain is not an undeveloped NT brain.
YippySkippy wrote:
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They may be "stuck" at a certain stage for an inordinately long period of time
I think this statement is incorrect, and demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of autism. Autistic neurology is different and separate from NT neurology. An autistic brain is not an undeveloped NT brain.
I am not going to pretend I am an expert in neurobiology or in speech, but I know in my son's case, his speech development was very different. For example my son went through an extended echolalia period which is not typical of NTs. I know NTs can go through some of that, but I don't think it is necessarily typical for NTs. I wish my mom were a more observant person because I would be very curious about my own development. I know that even now I will have echolalia type episodes where something in my speech database comes out of my mouth as though my own volition had nothing to do with it, and i do not even agree with what I said!
I say this to the OP so that she we will hopefully try not to panic if a stage gets missed.
Some babies skip the crawling stage and go right to walking, too. So, it is not a phenomena that exists in isolation. There is an expected path, but not every kid travels it that way, if that makes sense.
Ettina wrote:
HisMom wrote:
Ettina wrote:
I don't get your reaction. What's so smug about that? I mean, some kids start talking and others don't, and there's no way to predict it.
I've told parents similar things when they asked about my milestones. I wasn't saying I was better than their kids or anything, quite the opposite - I was saying I didn't do anything special to end up as high functioni ng as I am, and I can't give them some steps to take with a guarantee that their kid will turn out like me.
Are you sure the issue is her attitude, and not you being jealous of her?
Jealous of her ? Why would I be "jealous of her" ? So you think parents of kids with lower functioning children must be JEALOUS of parents with higher functioning kids if they have a disagreement with them ?
Your answer that you did not take "any special steps" shows how misinfomed you are about child development and I will address that in my next post. While you can obviously not give any guarantees about anything, did you really have to tell them that you cannot give them any guarantees tht their THEIR kids will turn out to be like YOU ? You are so special that you think parents would want their kids to turn out like YOU ?
And, after typing this out, and asking me if I am jealous of the other parent with a high functioning kid, you want me to believe that you don't think and you WEREN'T trying to tell those parents that YOU weren't better than their kids ? Or even THINKING it ? I totally buy that !
The fact that you misinterpreted my post so badly suggests my guess was probably right.
I don't think you have to be jealous of a parent of an HFA kid to disagree with them, but I think in this case you probably were. And I don't think I'm any better than an LFA autistic person - I just happened to have a different kind of brain. Believe it or not, but that's the truth.
And in fact, the parents outright told me they wanted their kids to turn out like me. So I'm not assuming anything there.
The "truth" accordiing to whom ? You ? Show me your references or point me to ANY study published in *any* reputed, peer reviewed journal that supports your assertion that your brain is different than the brain of another autistic person, simply because you are considered "higher functioning" than they are. If you cannot, then you are just assuming that YOUR brain is different / better than theirs - just like you take liberty of assuming that I was jealous of the other parent simply because she had the higher functioning kid !
Of course you don't SAY that you are better than an LFA, but you sure do imply it over and over again.
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ASDMommyASDKid wrote:
YippySkippy wrote:
Quote:
They may be "stuck" at a certain stage for an inordinately long period of time
I think this statement is incorrect, and demonstrates a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature of autism. Autistic neurology is different and separate from NT neurology. An autistic brain is not an undeveloped NT brain.
I am not going to pretend I am an expert in neurobiology or in speech, but I know in my son's case, his speech development was very different. For example my son went through an extended echolalia period which is not typical of NTs. I know NTs can go through some of that, but I don't think it is necessarily typical for NTs. I wish my mom were a more observant person because I would be very curious about my own development. I know that even now I will have echolalia type episodes where something in my speech database comes out of my mouth as though my own volition had nothing to do with it, and i do not even agree with what I said!
I say this to the OP so that she we will hopefully try not to panic if a stage gets missed.
Some babies skip the crawling stage and go right to walking, too. So, it is not a phenomena that exists in isolation. There is an expected path, but not every kid travels it that way, if that makes sense.
Thank you, ASDMommy. Appreciate your feedback a lot.
Yes, I do know that kids can skip stages and still not face developmental repurcussions, but I do make it a point to work on as many of his missed milestones as I can. You raise an interesting point of a child who never crawls but just ups & walks one fine day. This milestone of crawling can be hard to actually go back and help a child gain, especially if they are walking just fine now.
But I was reading about the Musgatova method recently and she talks about how early physical milestones help integrate primitive reflexes, which, if not done, can lead to other challenges. Of course, I don't completely get the "scientific rationale" behind this claim but my not understanding it does not mean that it is not the fact ! Luckily, my son was an early crawler and crawled for over 3 months before he would actually walk
But, thank you for the shot of hope. I deeply and gratefully appreciate it.
