Please listen, parents. Hate on me for it if you want.
Where did you obtain this information? You've peaked my interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiolo ... es_simplex
"Worldwide rates of HSV infection – counting both cold sores (HSV-1) and herpes proper (HSV-2) – are between 65% and 90%.[1] Although many people infected with HSV develop labial or genital lesions, the majority are either undiagnosed or display no physical symptoms—individuals with no symptoms are described as asymptomatic or as having subclinical herpes.[2]"
Also, someone mentioned something about Japan in an earlier post. The Japanese are wonderful people, but by no means should they be held as an exemplar of "normal" or "well-adjusted." LOL
Oh my goodness gracious. I did not know the rates of infection was this high.
Where did you obtain this information? You've peaked my interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiolo ... es_simplex
"Worldwide rates of HSV infection – counting both cold sores (HSV-1) and herpes proper (HSV-2) – are between 65% and 90%.[1] Although many people infected with HSV develop labial or genital lesions, the majority are either undiagnosed or display no physical symptoms—individuals with no symptoms are described as asymptomatic or as having subclinical herpes.[2]"
Also, someone mentioned something about Japan in an earlier post. The Japanese are wonderful people, but by no means should they be held as an exemplar of "normal" or "well-adjusted." LOL
Oh my goodness gracious. I did not know the rates of infection was this high.
I believe you are much like me and would appreciate my pointing out that the correct wording is "You've piqued my interest" and not "You've peaked my interest."
Where did you obtain this information? You've peaked my interest.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiolo ... es_simplex
"Worldwide rates of HSV infection – counting both cold sores (HSV-1) and herpes proper (HSV-2) – are between 65% and 90%.[1] Although many people infected with HSV develop labial or genital lesions, the majority are either undiagnosed or display no physical symptoms—individuals with no symptoms are described as asymptomatic or as having subclinical herpes.[2]"
Also, someone mentioned something about Japan in an earlier post. The Japanese are wonderful people, but by no means should they be held as an exemplar of "normal" or "well-adjusted." LOL
Oh my goodness gracious. I did not know the rates of infection was this high.
I believe you are much like me and would appreciate my pointing out that the correct wording is "You've piqued my interest" and not "You've peaked my interest."
Oh, I didn't know I used the wrong word. Ty for pointing it out. lol
I haven't read this whole thread just wanted to add how I see it!
I may be mistaken, but aren't you the one who got mad that NT kids parents were letting them play video games that you thought were inappropriate for your kid? If so, maybe you should rethink your whole position on inappropriate. My mother wouldn't let me get my ears pierced at 14 because it was "slu*ty". Don't be that mother.
HU??? My stance on videogames? My son plays them. he LOVES them, they are his world. We go by the age level on the games, he doesn't have ANY interest in ANY games that aren't Mario and Sonic or Minecraft. LUCKILY for me, those are benign. In my home, it is a value that we don't pretend to shoot up or kill any one with a gun or pretend gun. SO, as for shooting games, those will not be in my house. I don't think my son would be acting slu*ty if he wanted to play those games, and thus far, he has never asked. But, it is a value I hold close to my heart, and if and when the time comes he asks for violent games, we will have that discussion openly. We all KNOW our children better then anyone else, and have to do what we feel is in their long term best interest. KNOWING how obsessive my son can get with his games, it would be negligent of ME to indulge violence. I think directly of Adam Lanza, who was indulged in his video game violence and fascination with guns. if you aren't aware of who he is, do a google search of his name. Do I think my son has the potential to do what he did? NOPE, but I am CERTAIN neither did his mom. And a value I hold in my home regardless of diagnosis. My 2 younger kids, so far NT, will also not be playing gun games in my home. Will they at friends homes, most probably, and will I love it? Prob not but I will live. And we will discuss and navigate the terrain together, which is just what I said in my post. What we always do and have done.
We also have certain values for TV shows, etc. If he watches those shows in friends homes, waiting room TVs or at karate parties (all have happened) I am ok with it. Do I LOVE IT, no. But the good part is it is limited, and we can talk about it. What about that show do you think was good? not so good? Why do you think we don't watch it at home? Then we discuss why others watch it and why that is ok. We do the same for video games.
And, I just don't see how your reply to my post makes any sense at all, to be honest.
Well didn't you just go way the f**k so overboard that even a life preserver won't reach? LOL! I was asking aren't you the mother who bitched that NT kids (and your kid isn't dx'd right? you just THINK he has it? If thats you then ok, if not, DONT TAKE IT LIKE IT IS) were allowed to play games that you don't let your child play and it UPSET you. And If that's you, then I called you overprotective. And I stand by that.
My kids played them. Still do. They all do. Ain't nobody I know gone on a mass shooting spree except one person who DIDNT EVEN PLAY VIDEO GAMES! You wanna be your whole little Duggers all to yourself keep them away from the world thing, then I say go for it! But what you gonna do if you die before your kid is 18 or 28 or 48 or whenever you decide to let him out of your cluthches? What's he gonna do then?
Yeah, that was you. I did really like you though in that one movie with John Travolta. When you got him that space suit and cried when he went out in the park with that girl, you rocked!
I'm kind of lost and confused at this point, and after reading some of this, I am glad to be! So you go on your rant. Just wanted to add my son is diagnosed Aspergers, by a child psychiatrist, and an educational psychologist since just before he turned 6, he is now 8 1/2. So, in the words of Timone from Lion King, I think you have your lions crossed. Anyhow, rant on.
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Dara, mom to my beautiful kids:
J- 8, diagnosed Aspergers and ADHD possible learning disability due to porcessing speed, born with a cleft lip and palate.
M- 5
M-, who would be 6 1/2, my forever angel baby
E- 1 year old!! !
From yet another perspective: Last autumn I attended a conference and interacted closely with a renowned author (autism research) as she was interested too in my own research. In confidence, I shared that to trust my Aspie-enhanced senses (which sometimes parents/clinicians can wrongly shun!!) has been a big boon to my science. She was so excited, telling me YES. Sometimes parents try to micro-manage their Aspie, which does not really work. Yes, my father was strict but he let me cut & paste to the extreme, etc. let me find my own way without interference, even if I sometimes did not speak.
That is, go WITH it, not against it. Use your difference, which can then become a strength. In order to do this, as OliveOilMom et al. has demonstrated, is to let it be. Best not to interfere with any given Aspies developmental processes - the hands off approach.
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The ones who say “You can’t” and “You won’t” are probably the ones scared that you will. - Unknown
That is, go WITH it, not against it. Use your difference, which can then become a strength. In order to do this, as OliveOilMom et al. has demonstrated, is to let it be. Best not to interfere with any given Aspies developmental processes - the hands off approach.
LabPet,I do agree with you but to a certain extent. The hands off approach did not work for me. I sure could've used direction and guidance especially during my college years especially knowing how to obtain a career. The only things I was given was things like but not restricted to Be Yourself and Be Positive. The hands off approach may have worked for you but it did not work for me.
LabPet,
Not all parents, but a lot of parents have a pretty good sense of when our kids' "aspie superpowers" for lack of a better way for me to articulate it, are in play. A lot of us also know when the opposite is true. There are things my son can do way better than I can, and when the context would indicate this to be the case, I let him have at it. There are things I would -love- him to be more independent with, and he -could- do, but he won't b/c of fear of failure or b/c a thing is tedious or requires persistence.
Then on the other hand, there is the fact that he doesn't pay any mind to where he is and would get hit by a car, if he was out by himself unsupervised b/c he would be spinning around, darting here and there, talking to himself about Zork or microwaves, and paying no attention to anything but himself. Sometimes safety has to come first, and safety takes many different forms.
Knowing the difference between these kinds of things is the job of a parent. It is hard not to project ones own life experiences and personality into it, but that is the job: Knowing what is safe, what is unsafe and when to take a chance. Sometimes, it is hard for higher functioning aspies (myself included, so no offense meant to anyone) to understand that just b/c I or you could have done a particular thing, at a particular age, does make it so for everyone's kid/s, (Including my own, so again, no offense to anyone, meant.)
The rule of thumb around here is that an aspie has 2/3 the emotional age of his chronological age. Some of our kids, smart as they may be in many other respects, have not tested that high. Some have their own individual blind spots. Again, figuring this kind of thing out, is part of the job.
Without reading all the responses: there is a balance here that everyone has to figure out for themselves. Yes, many will overdo it one way or the other, but without sitting in their exact shoes, we have no way of knowing when that is true. The best we can do is provide solid information from which each person can reach that conclusion themselves.
There are times to cocoon and times to let go. The difference is super hard to know. My ASD son seems to be comfortable and thriving with the way I've called it over the years; my (more-or-less NT) daughter thinks I am way over-protective. I always ingest the information and recalibrate if appropriate. It is a constant process. There is no one way to point the compass and then consider yourself done.
So I share my stories on these boards and others share theirs. The parents reading then have to figure out what information applies best to their unique situation and point in time. Sometimes we will think they are calling it wrong and try, once more, to sell what we think they need to hear. But, in the end, we do have to recognize that we aren't inside that family and don't really know, and accept their decisions as valid.
I've moved back and forth on this dial so many times. Because the life my family lives demands that. It has never been a straight road for us. I feel like I see how all the positions have validity. It just comes down to time and place.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
Glancing over the rest of the thread, I think all I will say is this:
We are all unique people with unique life experiences, and none of us are perfect at expressing ourselves every moment of everyday. So forgive and move on. Everyone here is just trying to figure life out, and not a one of us have completely succeeded.
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Mom to an amazing young adult AS son, plus an also amazing non-AS daughter. Most likely part of the "Broader Autism Phenotype" (some traits).
I believe you are much like me and would appreciate my pointing out that the correct wording is "You've piqued my interest" and not "You've peaked my interest."
HA! I was clearly posting as I read, not after getting caught up with the thread!
As for me, I have decided there is no real reason to "cure" myself from overthinking things. For as much as my boss hates it sometimes, there are other times that she realizes it makes me indispensable in ways that no one else is. Though sometimes I wish I could turn it off when I wanted to.
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Mom to 2 exceptional atypical kids
Long BAP lineage
I do know what my life would have been like. And I know what it was like for the first 12 years, where I wasn't allowed to go outside cause of the pollen, or play with legoes cause I could choke on them (AT TEN????) or watch most tv at all because it would be "too much for me" or do any freaking thing ever where my mother or grandmother weren't hovering over me to make sure I ate a certain diet, or did exactly what they wanted, etc. It would have been the continuation on of that. It would have sucked so much worse than it already did.
I appreciate your hardship. Being a parent is a tough gig. Being a parent with AS bringing up kids with AS is an order of magnitude tougher.
Keep something in mind. You are currently experiencing a mood drop and this can influence negative thoughts and the kind of things you will therefore say.
Despite this I agree with the essence of your post in that you can't wrap your ASD child in cotton wool and expect them to live successfully and independently in an NT world. There is a (as I've discovered) a certain amount of compromising we as parents must do so we don;t drive our children around the bend. As DS-A-Mom articulated each ASD child is unique and your approach with your own children may not necessarily work with other parent's kids.
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I do know what my life would have been like. And I know what it was like for the first 12 years, where I wasn't allowed to go outside cause of the pollen, or play with legoes cause I could choke on them (AT TEN????) or watch most tv at all because it would be "too much for me" or do any freaking thing ever where my mother or grandmother weren't hovering over me to make sure I ate a certain diet, or did exactly what they wanted, etc. It would have been the continuation on of that. It would have sucked so much worse than it already did.
I appreciate your hardship. Being a parent is a tough gig. Being a parent with AS bringing up kids with AS is an order of magnitude tougher.
Keep something in mind. You are currently experiencing a mood drop and this can influence negative thoughts and the kind of things you will therefore say.
Despite this I agree with the essence of your post in that you can't wrap your ASD child in cotton wool and expect them to live successfully and independently in an NT world. There is a (as I've discovered) a certain amount of compromising we as parents must do so we don;t drive our children around the bend. As DS-A-Mom articulated each ASD child is unique and your approach with your own children may not necessarily work with other parent's kids.
I was kind of douchey at the beginning of it, but I did mean the gist of it. I'm not good at mellowing out to say my feelings in a nice way. I've always been a ball to the walls kind of girl, and that can be a horrible mistake, a lot of times when finesse is needed, because I have absolutely no finesse.
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My forum is still there and everyone is welcome to come join as well. There is a private women only subforum there if anyone is interested. Also, there is no CAPTCHA.
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Don't let the dx play you. It's playing too many people as it is. "Oh, my poor child! I must protect him and wrap him in cotton gauze because he's so fragile!" Yeah, keep doing that and you breed a basement dweller who thinks the world is against him, CAUSE YOU TAUGHT HIM THAT! Teach them that they can fight back. That they can speak up. That they can prove themselves and you expect nothing less and you tolerate nothing less! Do not do them like my mother did me! I barely escaped, and yes, stupid whining girl from another thread or not, I happen to be strong. I wasn't born that way, I learned to be that way. It's the best gift you can ever give your kids, to make them fight their own battles, grow up, act right, etc. You may say "But AS kids aren't like other kids". YES WE ARE! WE DONT WANT TO BE! STOP TREATING US LIKE WE ARE SO DiFFERENT! If you keep treating us like we are different, then you are no better than the bullies, except you bully us into staying in our little shells, in your control, etc.
I got one that I think has it and he's also deaf in one ear. So the hell what? He's learned to live in the real world. He's GLAD he did. i showed him this before I posted it and he just said "Fistbump Mom" and he did. He can function just as well as any other man around can. Because he wasn't coddled. Because he was made to toughen up. He's gratefull to me for that. My mother would have me living there with her and a ton of f***ing cats if she could. Oh, hell no.
My oldest moved back in recently. the boy i didnt talk to in three years! he went to move back in and i told him that he has three months then his s**ts gonna be in the yard and the locks are changed. You HAVE TO be that way with them! And he's even NT.
Either way, I'm pretty much done. Overprotective Moms, ya'll just yell at me now, but remember. You reap what you sow.
This is a very well written post.
I was raised strictly, was taught to play football, was taught to change tires and all that just like a normal child. Being tossed into the wolves, taught me to fend them of. This world is rough, and if someone with AS is to live a happy life, he has to be strong. Johnny Cash's song A Boy Named Sue is an over-the-top, but decent example.
As for some of the comments in this thread:
[img][800:458]http://rdkreative.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/haters-gonna-hate.jpg[/img]
How do you know with certainty that growing up strong and not being treated as if you did not belong to a marginalized group led to you functioning better? Can you prove a direct causation and not just a correlation? Correlation does not equal causation.
What is the rubric that you use that determines functionality? What are your premises that lead you to conclude that they are more mild degree of Aspergers than you?
This is good.
Let's look at all people who were tossed were tossed to the wolves whether they were AS or not. For some people, it did not teach and you can look up the suicide rates that back this up. In addition, what about people who are committed and placed in group homes or institutions?
The claim that you all are making by implication is all people who are tossed to the wolves will be able to fend them off. If this was considered a hypothesis in a scientific experiment the experiment would not be reproducible because there would be some failures.
If there is a claim that All Swans are White and one can find a black Swan than the claim is proven false. The suicides and the committed prove your claim false.
Why? What is the essence of strength? What is the essence of happiness?
Instead of examining and dissecting your interlocutor's arguments you're going to put up some trite, hackneyed and meaningless slogan that comes from a culture that lacks any substance and is all about style, pizzazz and one up man ship. If a new parent came in, looked at what you wrote, why should they take you seriously at all?
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