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24 Jun 2014, 6:56 pm

I love the questions! I'm not overwhelmed at all. It's just that each answer has the potential to be a book - I'm not kidding, books have been written about every question you posed. For a deeper discussion about black hair, check out Chris Rock's documentary entitled, Good Hair.

I was just joking about work. I should have winked :wink: I actually like them a lot.

But, jerks and media have always gone together well. Look at Howard Stern! He gets paid millions to be mean to people all day long. I don't get it, either.

Edited to add: I'm just trying to gauge how much detail you're looking for, because we could talk about any of these for a long time (which I don't mind either!).



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24 Jun 2014, 7:00 pm

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because i am an overly-analytical person myself (and hyper-critical of myself) so i know where you're coming from.


I know where you're coming from as well. Oh, I'm definitely hyper-critical of myself and 2nd and 3rd guess myself all the time. It was a way of my trying to cope and adapt to forgetting things. I can inadvertently do this with my wife which she calls double and triple checking her. I really am trying to get a handle on this.

I would like to tell an incident that happened. We live south of the city of Atlanta. In the Metro Atlanta Area, one has to pay for parking and in some parking areas one has to put his sticker in which it was visibly scene. This means the person checking it has to see it right away or in about a second. Let's say he tried to sit there and look for it. It may take him about 6 seconds. Imagine he has to inspect 30 cars. If he did the look quickly on a glance on the 1 second thing then it would take about 30 seconds to inspect each car. If he has to do it for 6 seconds then it is 180 seconds for 30 cars which is 3 minutes. 30 seconds vs. 3 minutes.

My wife did place it but did not double check to make sure it was visibly scene and did not think of it. She needed to place it on the right part of the dashboard. What was strange to me was that she blamed them. She was upset and got into an argument with them. When she calmed down and a few days later I sat down explained this to her. We ended up having to pay a $75 fee to have the boot removed from her tire. If I was there this wouldn't have happened at all. Things like this just frustrate me and her blaming them when it was obvious to me that she did not make it visibly scene and she should've double checked it. A lot of people seem to do this, think they put down parking pass down correctly and never double check it. They blame the people for booting them when the truth was when those who booted the vehicle was following policy. Why do a number of people in Atlanta do this? It is so frustrating.

This is not the only thing in which people don't think things through and it just frustrates the heck out of me. Sorry for my vent.

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most of the time i also think my analytical abilities are positive traits, but there is such a thing as "too much of a good thing".


Oh yeah, it is too much of a good thing.

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i do believe we should never be unwilling to challenge ourselves and our beliefs/perceptions/understanding, but i also believe it's possible to get stuck in that mode and cross over into obsessiveness which is just frustrating and not healthy.


This is what happens to me all of the time. It is called analysis paralysis. It can be not only frustrating but it can be debilitating and can make it very difficult to get things done that truthfully need to be done. Do you have any tips that you use on yourself?

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i am still in the process of learning the difference between things that need further examination and things that i need to just accept as they are and let go because i cannot change/effect them, or perhaps cannot understand.

that last bit is usually the hardest for me to accept, things i am unable to understand for whatever reason--but it's important to be able to recognise one's own limitations.


I guess I need to actually start the process of doing the things you're in the process and just accept certain things. I'm starting to understand my own limitations and it seems like my best attributes can be my Achilles heel. It is so strange though that a trait can be both positive and negative at the same time. That last bit is the hardest for me to accept as well. My wife has said that she accepts certain things as they are. Her favorite phrase is "It is, what it is." I guess I should sort of incorporate that as well. It is just so difficult to do though. It is just difficult for me to accept things as they are. How do people just do sort of a thing? I guess it is a personality trait as well. My wife is ISTJ. http://www.16personalities.com/istj-personality

Our personality traits can clash and I can tell you certain aspects of her personality can frustrate me sometimes. She does have awesome personality traits that I love and one of them is that she is very direct with me. She will tell me what is up or if I have offended her.

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there are some things i will never understand, some "ultimate" truths i will never find (if they exist)--and that's ok, because that is universally true for every human being. my perception and my understanding, being human, will always be imperfect.


Yeah and you're right. I realized that through Gödel's Incompleteness Theorems. A system can never be complete and consistent.

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also, you can get so caught up in the analysis of life that you forget to actually live it in the process--it's like when you go on vacation with your family, if you stay behind the camera the whole time taking pictures of everything instead of participating you miss out on a lot of the fun.


That is so true. Maybe I do got to reduce my analyzing and simply live my life.


i suggest some form of meditative practice--yoga, a martial art, tai chi, something like that. it doesn't have to have a physical component, there are lots of different ways to meditate and many of them don't involve physical activity. yoga works particularly well for me i think because to settle my mind i need to distract my body (if that makes any sense), and i sometimes have difficulty with physical stillness and yoga is wonderful for teaching that stillness, to focus on breath, on the centre. also, as someone with a mood disorder, imbalance has been thematic to my life since childhood and yoga teaches balance: physical as well as mental, emotional, and even spiritual balance. any sort of meditative practice would be beneficial in learning acceptance of reality as it is, and finding peace in that.



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24 Jun 2014, 7:16 pm

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I love the questions! I'm not overwhelmed at all. It's just that each answer has the potential to be a book - I'm not kidding, books have been written about every question you posed. For a deeper discussion about black hair, check out Chris Rock's documentary entitled, Good Hair.

I was just joking about work. I should have winked :wink: I actually like them a lot.

But, jerks and media have always gone together well. Look at Howard Stern! He gets paid millions to be mean to people all day long. I don't get it, either.

Edited to add: I'm just trying to gauge how much detail you're looking for, because we could talk about any of these for a long time (which I don't mind either!).


Yes, please give me as much detail as you can if you have time.



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24 Jun 2014, 7:32 pm

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I stumbled upon him by accident. Some of the things he said made no sense.


If I investigated (even to a very shallow degree) every encounter with people that I could describe that way I would have no time for my family, my job or my interests.

Take it as given that people are irrational and often in transient emotional states that are difficult to distinguish from psychosis. There is nothing to be learned from looking into that mess, unless you are looking for patterns in the chaos, like Da Vinci and turbulent flows.

Even then, even if you are a genious and see with amazing clarity, it may take centuries of progress in research and math for a descriptive language adequate to the complexity of these expressions of human psychology to emerge.



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24 Jun 2014, 7:51 pm

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I stumbled upon him by accident. Some of the things he said made no sense.


If I investigated (even to a very shallow degree) every encounter with people that I could describe that way I would have no time for my family, my job or my interests.

Take it as given that people are irrational and often in transient emotional states that are difficult to distinguish from psychosis. There is nothing to be learned from looking into that mess, unless you are looking for patterns in the chaos, like Da Vinci and turbulent flows.

Even then, even if you are a genious and see with amazing clarity, it may take centuries of progress in research and math for a descriptive language adequate to the complexity of these expressions of human psychology to emerge.


I'm just trying to understand humanity and why people especially in the USA have such inconsistent standards and how they come to this internal locus of control belief system. The belief system of America makes no sense and if I can understand people from various walks of life especially the USA then I can understand how they derive their philosophy of American beliefs that seem so contradictory. If I must function in society and live my life with virtue then I must understand why society is? The more I analyze it the more contradictions I discover. Why is one never allowed to blame society no matter what iteration he is dealing in? How is one in complete control of his life if nothing in life is guaranteed and one can't guarantee anything for himself. If nothing is guaranteed then how is it guaranteed that "nothing is guaranteed" will always remain true? The logic given by the denizens of the USA makes no sense. Even other autistics on here seems to embrace it with open arms. I am unable to make heads or tails to embrace it though.
Please take a look what I've written here.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt261748.html

Let me put it to you this way. The Cheshire cat and the Mad Hatter make more sense than people in the USA. The USA consists of people from various walks of life apparently but believe in certain universal beliefs which is repeated over and over again like a broken record. If I am to function properly, then my treatment must come from not only therapy but from the average joe. I need the philosophy that people have to be explained to me and how they derived it.

It took me a long time to even derive that the terms positive and negative can be used as emotional states and people were using them as emotional states. For a long time, I thought they were using them as math and/or logical operators. I had to back trace through it and derive it through observation.



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24 Jun 2014, 8:36 pm

Neither a completely internal nor a completely external locus of control accurately reflects reality, IMO.
It suits the propaganda machine, however, to convince Americans that everything bad in their lives is their own fault. Otherwise people might start blaming *gasp* the government, and making demands of it.

When I lived in Ireland, a homeless woman set up a tent outside a government office with a sign protesting the fact that she had not been provided a place to live. People looked at her tent and thought "shame on our government for allowing this woman to be homeless". In America, people would most likely look at the tent and think "shame on that woman for being lazy/stupid/irresponsible".



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24 Jun 2014, 8:57 pm

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Neither a completely internal nor a completely external locus of control accurately reflects reality, IMO.


I don't believe it either.

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It suits the propaganda machine, however, to convince Americans that everything bad in their lives is their own fault. Otherwise people might start blaming *gasp* the government, and making demands of it.


Really, it's just simply a cultural thing and it's just propaganda, is this what you're saying. So, my questions and my logic make sense. Why won't people examine my questions either put forth a logical answer that defends the cultural beliefs or refute their own beliefs when the beliefs are refuted by analytic logic? Am I looking at something wrong? If is truthfully is me, then it should be possible to tell me where and why I'm wrong. Think of it like being in court. If one has committed a crime what is their crime? What are the specifics of the crime?

Check out what I wrote here and please tell me what you think.

http://whyifailedinamerica1.wordpress.c ... urs-truly/

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When I lived in Ireland, a homeless woman set up a tent outside a government office with a sign protesting the fact that she had not been provided a place to live. People looked at her tent and thought "shame on our government for allowing this woman to be homeless". In America, people would most likely look at the tent and think "shame on that woman for being lazy/stupid/irresponsible".


So, all the American culture is, is double-think propaganda. Is this correct? Really, all I'm doing is trying to make sense out of nonsense is that correct?



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24 Jun 2014, 9:30 pm

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Why won't people examine my questions either put forth a logical answer that defends the cultural beliefs or refute their own beliefs when the beliefs are refuted by analytic logic?


There're several possible reasons for this. You may not be asking people who enjoy philosophical debates. Or you may be asking people who aren't capable of following logic. Or you may be encountering people who feel threatened by anyone who questions the status quo.

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So, all the American culture is, is double-think propaganda. Is this correct? Really, all I'm doing is trying to make sense out of nonsense is that correct?


Not ALL American culture is propaganda. I'm only talking about the idea that a person's life circumstances are entirely within their own control. I am saying that, in other countries, people do not see poor folks and automatically assume that they must be terrible people. That way of thinking seems to be pretty standard in America.



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24 Jun 2014, 9:33 pm

Just remembered this quote from Bush Jr.
"...poor people aren't necessarily killers"

Seems to illustrate my point. :lol:



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24 Jun 2014, 9:52 pm

Cubedemon, YippySkippy made good points. Another couple of reasons why people may not answer you could be:

1) they're just busy, and your questions aren't high on their priority list. Not because they're bad questions or uninteresting, but because they other responsibilities to attend to. I especially don't think you'll have much luck with famous people. They get a million questions per day, and just don't have time to answer them all.

2) they' don't share your concerns, and thus don't feel the need to engage. A lot of times, people only respond to things that they either passionately agree or disagree with. If your points don't inspire a strong reaction, they may just leave the debate to someone who feels more strongly.



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24 Jun 2014, 10:59 pm

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Cubedemon, YippySkippy made good points. Another couple of reasons why people may not answer you could be:

1) they're just busy, and your questions aren't high on their priority list. Not because they're bad questions or uninteresting, but because they other responsibilities to attend to. I especially don't think you'll have much luck with famous people. They get a million questions per day, and just don't have time to answer them all.

2) they' don't share your concerns, and thus don't feel the need to engage. A lot of times, people only respond to things that they either passionately agree or disagree with. If your points don't inspire a strong reaction, they may just leave the debate to someone who feels more strongly.


Ya, you all are probably right.



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24 Jun 2014, 11:07 pm

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i suggest some form of meditative practice--yoga, a martial art, tai chi, something like that. it doesn't have to have a physical component, there are lots of different ways to meditate and many of them don't involve physical activity. yoga works particularly well for me i think because to settle my mind i need to distract my body (if that makes any sense), and i sometimes have difficulty with physical stillness and yoga is wonderful for teaching that stillness, to focus on breath, on the centre. also, as someone with a mood disorder, imbalance has been thematic to my life since childhood and yoga teaches balance: physical as well as mental, emotional, and even spiritual balance. any sort of meditative practice would be beneficial in learning acceptance of reality as it is, and finding peace in that.


I have my own cocktail of orders as well so I guess I'll join the club.

I was recently diagnosed as ADHD inattentive type. I have depression and anxiety as well. One psychiatrist said that I had a touch of schizoaffective disorder as well. Apparently, he said that I rationalize myself to irrationality or is it that I'm so irrational that I'm very rational.

It depends upon how you look at things. Like Einstein asked, did the chicken cross the road or did the road cross the chicken. I ask, did they cross each other or did they truthfully cross at all?

Just for fun: I decided to have a bit of fun with my wife. While my wife and I were on vacation we were discussing what we would wish for. She told me she would wish for an infinite amount of wishes and I told her as well. It would be on a fantasy wish machine. I also told her that I would wish for scissors that can cut through literally anything and that it would automatically cut through paper that couldn't be cut by literally anything. She looked at me with the most priceless expression I've ever seen and said WTF. I just laughed my butt off.



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25 Jun 2014, 2:34 am

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Cubedemon, YippySkippy made good points. Another couple of reasons why people may not answer you could be:

1) they're just busy, and your questions aren't high on their priority list. Not because they're bad questions or uninteresting, but because they other responsibilities to attend to. I especially don't think you'll have much luck with famous people. They get a million questions per day, and just don't have time to answer them all.

2) they' don't share your concerns, and thus don't feel the need to engage. A lot of times, people only respond to things that they either passionately agree or disagree with. If your points don't inspire a strong reaction, they may just leave the debate to someone who feels more strongly.



Or his questions are too hard to answer.


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25 Jun 2014, 5:26 am

CubeDemon,

My son has certain special interests that he watches YouTube videos for. If my account is open, which I think it is by default, he will comment on them and ask questions. His comments are not at all like the other ones on the videos.

The responses are ... interesting. Sometimes he gets no responses. Sometimes, people respond rudely. Sometimes he gets polite answers but you can tell the way my son's mind works is confusing to them. My son cannot tell this (or does not care) and keeps going, and continues, anyway, asking more questions.

I hope you will not be offended that I am comparing your very philosophical questions to my 8 year old son's questions, because I do not mean it like that. What I mean is that even though your questions are very different from those my son asks, I think people may be just as confused by them. The similarity is that both of you ask questions most people just would not ask. I think there are unwritten norms and people do not expect the type of interactions you seek. Sometimes people will go with it, but more often they will not.

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25 Jun 2014, 9:52 am

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My son has certain special interests that he watches YouTube videos for. If my account is open, which I think it is by default, he will comment on them and ask questions. His comments are not at all like the other ones on the videos.


I understand.

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The responses are ... interesting. Sometimes he gets no responses. Sometimes, people respond rudely. Sometimes he gets polite answers but you can tell the way my son's mind works is confusing to them. My son cannot tell this (or does not care) and keeps going, and continues, anyway, asking more questions.


I receive the same results as well.

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I hope you will not be offended that I am comparing your very philosophical questions to my 8 year old son's questions, because I do not mean it like that. What I mean is that even though your questions are very different from those my son asks, I think people may be just as confused by them. The similarity is that both of you ask questions most people just would not ask. I think there are unwritten norms and people do not expect the type of interactions you seek. Sometimes people will go with it, but more often they will not.


What kind of questions does your son ask and what are the differences between his sets of questions and mine?



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25 Jun 2014, 10:00 am

When you find a video/blog/etc. that makes you philosophical, you could always post a link and address your questions and comments to the WPers in the PPR forum. I think you'll have better luck finding someone who wants to discuss your thoughts that way.
Just be aware, if you post anything related to gender issues, that there's a lot of misogyny over there lately. :?