Some Mothers Chosen By God

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Some mothers , I think, really were chosen by God. Others might have been hand-picked by Satan.

I have A.S., of course I was bullied as a kid. What are you even doing on this site? Do you have an ASD? Kids, family...anybody?
Anything you say is still overshadowed by your derogatory and ignorant remarks to me yesterday. Your words lost all authority the instant you sunk to childish name calling.

You're dangerously close to getting reported.

EDIT: And btw, that is EXACTLY why I was offended by the original post as it implies that those not born to loving parents are somehow how flawed or evil or just plain not worth God's time. It was as much my right to find it offensive as it was yours to find it inspiring.

Last edited by drowbot0181 on 12 Dec 2008, 10:03 am, edited 1 time in total.

Just a side note here...Drowbot, I have no problems with your posts. I understand where you are coming from, I just may not agree.

Thank you.

Is that a threat?



Any, that comment of mine about some mothers hand-picked by the devil, that was supposed to tongue-in-cheek. Not deadly serious.

I apologize. I thought it was directed towards me.

Got it. And, well, at the risk of walking into conflicts I want to avoid, I have to say I mostly agree with you.

Perhaps we could all use to be more careful with our wording and with our reading.

Now you've gone and posted something I can't agree with again. Oh well. I guess your experience with and understanding of religion is simply different from mine. Since I can't transfer my experience to you, I guess we'll both just have to accept that as it is.

Perhaps my wording could have and should have been better, but I feel you are taking disrespect where none was intended.

And, NO, as much as you and my son would like to believe that logic is universal, it is NOT, and I often find myself proving that to him on a daily basis. Real world logic involves certain assumptions, and assumptions rarely duplicate themselves perfectly from fact situation to fact situation, no matter how much anyone would like to think they do. Give me a statement that you feel is based in solid logic, at least when it comes to something abstract, and odds are that I can find the holes in it. My son is coming to understand my point on this, and how it's important for living life. You can really lock yourself away from the world and from possibilities when you believe too strongly in logic. It doesn't matter what you build your walls from, they are still walls, and too strong a belief in the solidity of logic is definitely a wall that others can't scale.

And I don't berate my son for asking a question. It is my JOB to be his teacher. It isn't my job, however, to serve that function for strangers on a message board unless I choose to. The same goes for everyone here. I guess that is all I was trying to point out; I got upset that you were assuming that just because someone wasn't willing to provide you with an answer you felt was valid, that their statements then could not be valid. This isn't a court of law; it's just a friendly discussion. So, to me, that assumption was just off base, and I guess I found a poor way of pointing it out.

You are striking out stronger than I feel is appropriate; statements like "I pity your son" are intentionally personal and hurtful, and far beyond - in my opinion - anything I flung out there. I'm going to jump to people's defense when you do that, whether it's me you are striking out at or someone else.

I must say, I definitely agree with you here, DW. But sadly, I have had to learn that through lots of experience and therapy. As much as I know logic is what controls the science of everything physical, that's where it ends. Too many people, thoughts, and ideals are illogical. Some to an extreme, others, it's just enough to get under my skin. It's that illogical and irrational thinking that gives you 10 hot dogs in a package, but only 8 buns. (Yes, this has troubled me sadly for quite some time.)

My mother certainly was, without a shadow of a doubt.

I would like to see your proof that logic is not universal. And when I say that I pity your son, I mean that I feel pity for your son. And I feel pity for him for what I feel is your teaching of flawed reasoning. If you are going to come to a public forum where people generally speak very literally, then try not to add hidden meaning to statements where none exists.
The fact is, you came to the defense of no one. There was a public discussion between myself and another person in which the other person, of her own will, repeatedly tried to explain her beliefs to me. I was not understanding her explanation. She never said "I don't have to explain it to you." She simply kept trying. If she had said that she didn't want to explain it and I persisted, THEN your attack towards me would have been valid. The fact is that you attacked me, unprovoked, and there is no excuse for it.
I would be very interested to hear your proof that logic is not universal. This is not a court order, it is a genuine request, with no more meaning than the words themselves impart. I ask because unlike you and some other people, I LIKE having my ideas and belief challenged because it forces me to make them better.
I honestly think that despite everything you said, the real problem you have with me is that I broke a social taboo by openly questioning religion. Emotion does not enter into for me and I think you will find that is the case with a lot of people here.

You are wrong; I have no issue with people speaking out about religion as long as their statements are clear and limited to the specific issues they have, and their statements accept that someone like me can actually have half a brain and still have faith. I dislike blanket anytime, anywhere, and that is not limited to discussions of religion. Yeah, I've had to bite my tongue a lot around here, but it's helped me a lot to understand how certain things I think and say can be taken wrong by those with AS.

I have a very happy child with a very strong self-image. He has a lot of confidence. His AS speech teacher is wondering if he has TOO much confidence, lol, but THAT is another discussion. I know where my parenting flaws are, and you don't have them pegged yet. Like it or not, my job is to prepare him to live in the world that exists, not the one he wishes existed, although he certainly is free to work on that change. He understands this and agrees with it. I'm a pretty loose parent - nothing happens without him buying into it.

If we are going to get into a discussion of logic, we will have to find some examples. It's tough for me to do that, since I don't know what would be an infallible logical statement to you. Maybe you can throw out a few and I'll see what I can do to them? Could be fun. Not sure when I can get back in here, however, because my "free" time today is almost up. So if you're willing to be patient on the response, I'm willing to play.

"I am always curious why people who don't believe in God or pray,etc. feel the need to ridicule those that do, get so offended that we hold those beliefs and talk, with authority, about God when they don't even believe in God?"

Is that not a blanket statment about atheists? And I never questioned your parenting. What I was upset about and the reason I said you should be ashamed and that I pity your son is that you showed great hypocrisy by coming onto the forum and attacking me for coming off as offensive. If you take everything I said literally, with the exception of me defending myself from the personal attacks of slowmutant, then you would have seen that there was nothing offensive in my language. I should be taken literally 99% of the time. It was upsetting to me because of all people, I would think a parent of a child with A.S. would understand this and pause a moment before going on the offensive.

While I would enjoy discussing your views on logic, as I have never heard anybody say it was not universal and this intrigues me, I, too, should get back to work and I quite frankly just don't have the mental steam left to talk anymore about anything as I am dealing with the fact that my wife was been cheating on me...again.
Thank you for your input. If I am mistaken, and my words did have a personally offensive flavor to them at any point, I apologize and would appreciate it if you pointed out any specifics for me for my future reference in dealing with NT's.

OK, I'm sorry. Especially sorry to hear things aren't well in your personal life. I can be a little stubborn ... um, a lot stubborn. I made some points in the other thread ... take it or not as you wish, I wrote it before I read here, but I think you do need to understand that my first response to you was never meant as an attack, and I still don't see how you took it as one, but I accept that you do, perhaps because it was strongly worded even though very generally worded.

Anyway ... some other day. Yeah, it could be fun to delve a little deeper into some of those issues while trying to keep from being misunderstood.