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Hey guys

I've just started to play PvP in LOL but keep getting put with enemies that I can't even 1v1 ~25% win rate when carried but thrash bots ~25/0/30

When does matchmaking start to work or is it broken ? Pretty sure i'm not the only bad\new-ish (lvl29) player in game, Thinking higher lvl player's are just as sick of getting teamed with us as we're with them ?

I was brought up playing base builders\RTS's and puzzle games and find LOL very fast paced and distracting with a steep learning curve. Also it's a very angry place not beginner friendly.

It's true, yeah, it's very much not beginner friendly. Definitely. It's not as bad as Dota when it comes to the learning curve, but yes, it does have a tough one.

To be honest though, this is the case with LOTS of competitive games.... certainly not just LoL.

As the matchmaking goes, as you continue to play more and more and the game gets more and more stats for you, that's when it tends to start to even out a bit. The goal of any matchmaking system is to get you into a position where your win/loss rate is right around 50/50. But it's not too easy for it to do that.

And yeah... the community is.... mean. Toxic. Nasty. The game is notorious for this (as is Dota). It can get VERY bad.

Now, I havent been on it in awhile myself... too distracted by other games, and a game-dev project that has been going on for a few months... but when I've played this, there were a few things I did that I found helpful.

Firstly: I stayed out of ranked mode. Ranked has the most vitriol in it, by far. The largest number of screaming jerks. And it's just no fun to deal with that much of that, so I didnt bother.

Secondly: I learned to ignore many players. If someone even so much as STARTS being unpleasant, mute them. They are no longer helping your cause. Toxicity REALLY hurts a player's ability to do much of anything. Anger and similar emotions will do that. Not just in multiplayer, but in single-player games too, your ability just plummets when you get angry. Arguing with someone like that... or even so much as talking calmly to them... will make them more angry. Not to mention that the game's rules for conduct, when dealing with people like that, specifically tells players that you should NOT respond to that, and just mute and report the player if necessary.

Not to mention that while alot of players seem to think they have amazing amounts of perfect knowledge, enough to direct everyone else.... most of them dont. Just because another player tells you "go do this, it's the best thing right now" doesnt mean that you SHOULD. Which leads to...

Third: Learn your role for yourself. Learn to do it WITHOUT having to get direction from others. That's not to say you shouldnt work with them, but go into each match as if you expect to have zero communication, yet must work together anyway. I personally tend to play support characters, like Soraka. Alot of other players wont do the role, because omg lack of kills, so I figure... if I want it done, I'll bloody well do it myself. I generally know what I'm supposed to do in a support role. Protect and heal the others, and make it easier for them to gain EXP, gold, and generally do their job. And I know that I"m the expendable one, if a situation comes down to that (though obviously, it's best to try to prevent it from ever getting that way). Though I also look at it as rescuing them from their own idiocy at times. Sometimes I have to basically stop them from walking into chainsaws. And I know that my job is to dive into the fray to protect them, and do things like that, and I just plain do it. I learned early on that while players often give advice, alot of that advice contradicts other advice. In other words, you dont really learn much of anything. This is stuff you must learn on your own. Read guides, find players that you like on Youtube that play your favorite characters, and try things out in matches for yourself. I'm not hugely far into the game myself yet either... I get a bit overwhelmed by social anxiety in competitive games sometimes, so I limit my time with them to prevent the nasty mental states that go with that... but doing that sort of thing is the reason why I can continue to improve. This applies to other types of games as well (such as Overwatch, recently).

Fourth: Ignore bots. Dont do bot matches unless you're trying characters you've never played before, and you want to get a feel for what their powers do. Bots in LoL are *DUMB*. Brainless. Dumber than a sack of hammers. They're completely useless when it comes to practice. Dont feel bad because you can splatter them, yet get smashed by actual players. That's the case for pretty much everyone that's new to a game like this. I immediately found this to be the case in Overwatch as well, I only did like two bot matches, and then that was enough of that, because it was like shooting fish in a barrel, as they say. AI in competitive games isnt always of actual use for practice.

Fifth: Keep trying different characters! It can take awhile to find the ones that are right for you. Even try the ones you dont think you'll like. Sometimes, you turn out to be wrong on that assumption.

Sixth: This one is important. When things start going bad, dont worry about your teammates getting all angered, or things like that. Just do the best you can, win or lose. Go into it basically saying to yourself "Okay... we're probably going to lose this one. But how much damage can I do to the enemy team before I go down? How much can I slow them down? How much can I get done from here?" Instead of focusing JUST on a loss (or a win) focus on your own personal performance during that match. Do you feel you did your best? Do you feel you made alot of mistakes? Do you think you learned something, improved a little bit? That sort of viewpoint is important. As alot of high-level competitive gamers sometimes say, you can learn alot more from a loss than you can from a victory.

As for distraction, that element of it... you get used to it. If you've played alot of RTS games, I think you'll eventually find that LoL and similar games arent that much more chaotic than those. It's just a matter of getting used to what you're doing and what you're seeing, that's all. You'll get a good feel for it in time, so long as you dont give up.



Sorry, that's alot of text, but.... hopefully at least a little bit of it is helpful.

Don't worry i appreciate you taking the time and giving advice



Always read on the net that DOTA is alot more chilled but it still feels like you're being punished for bad game "algorithms" Like how they will place a High lvl player in to even teams out or decrease que time.



Oh don't worry I've read\seen what they're like when just playing normal. I'm sure some of them will end up having a stroke or heart attack.



I agree but it's always nice to be told again. Sacrificing damage\MP for utility, getting rylai's crystal scepter in ARAM to help you stick\slow people for the team + a little damage and health.



I play support to but it can be similar to an abusive relationship in lane.

Annie: Lulu what happend to your eye ?
Lulu: (looks at Vayne) I tripped - while warding.



Thank you for being honest with this as it happens to me alot in games. Do you think alot of the time it's mostly in your head that the enemy ADC is better than they are ?



Ya was surprised when people flash burst me when they were low health after getting into bad habits.



I can't use ADC's but have enjoyed playing
Alistar
Orianna
Heimerdinger
Kennen
Ziggs
Lulu



Ya but you can't send a couple of squads in just to draw the enemy into skirmish so you can use friendly fire artillery.
(warhammer, Imperial guard) sorry bad joke.

Whoever said that Dota is a "chilled" environment/community is utterly delusional or lying through their teeth. It's famous for being one of the single most toxic communities in all of gaming. It's every bit as bad as the fighting game community, possibly even worse, and that's quite a feat. LoL of course is the same way.


As for that bit about the anxiety.... you know, it's hard to really say for sure WHY that happens. I've often thought that it might be that idea you mention, like "what if everyone's better than me?", but that doesnt seem right, at least not for me. Even in games I've utterly mastered (like, say, Guilty Gear, or various other fighting games) where I know I'm going to do most of the winning, I *still* get the same exact anxiety. I have a hard time understanding why this is.

Maybe it's just similar to the typical "autistic social anxiety" of dealing with other people in a general sense, that so many of us here experience. I mean, suddenly you go from facing just an AI.... to facing an actual person or group of people on the other side of the connection. That they're possibly hundreds of miles away never seems to matter, it's the same anxiety regardless. I get that same feeling as well if I'm at, say, an anime convention, and I play games with random people there, in person. I have to say, it's REALLY irritating. I wish I had advice for those that experience it, but all I can say is to take a break when you start to really feel it.


On a side note I cant really play an ADC type character in these games myself either. Particularly Dota (timing on last-hits is REALLY strict, and unlike LoL you absolutely must not use spells/skills to pop lane creeps, which frankly also just isnt as fun to me).

was not sure which part to quote.

you brought up the point about "autistic social anxiety" and yes I do think it plays apart in games. Not the social side of it but more the competitive side of things ? I feel threatened when someone is doing better then me at something I'm good at, do you also get like this ? If someone beats you it just shows gaps in your play or knowledge (feeling of incompleteness)

"Even where I know I'm going to do most of the winning, I *still* get the same exact anxiety"

Or are you thinking if a game has alot of mechanics and possibilities it can be hard to read player intentions ? The amount of input and thought can get overwhelming also, until youstart seeing patterns. Planetside 2 was bad for that, it's why i was an engineer or medic . my aim was alright even with bullet drop physics but put an enemy in front and I'd shoot like a stormtrooper.

Out of intrest do you mainly support in games or do you prefer aggressive champs\games ?

Sorry for the late reply.

For some of that, it's kinda hard to say.

I will say I dont really get put off by stronger opponents, or strong challenges. At least, not easily. Some of this comes from the types of games I am so familiar with, and have played so much of.

For example, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uON3zty3-Q

The hardest game ever made, it took me a year to get good enough to beat the first level of five, and that was starting from a very high skill level, too. To put it's overall difficulty in perspective, despite the stuff I do in that video, I stand no chance against the second stage. And the genre as a whole can be like that; you're pretty much guaranteed to lose over... and over... and over.... and over... and over... and over... You can make thousands of runs through a game like this, and lose every single time, on your way towards ONE eventual victory (maybe). Roguelikes, my other favorite genre, tends to be very similar. You'll die OFTEN. One death means a total restart, every time. They are brutal.

But typically, stuff like that just makes me more determined. There's just nothing quite like a victory over something that seemed utterly freaking impossible before. Not that I'll ever beat THAT game, mind you.

I've kinda approached competitive games like that. Mostly for me, this means fighting games. Which of course, only show their true challenge when you face other players, not the AI. I "got gud" in this genre, definitely, but it's certainly had it's moments. The sort that you describe, dealing with really strong opponents. In my case what tends to happen though is, hmm... I guess you could call it sort of a "berserker" response. My main trait/ability overall is speed; both speed of reaction, and speed of mental processing (thus, the bullet hell games). The more stressed, scared, or angered I get during a match, the faster and more out of control I'll become. The good point about this is that it tends to become extremely overwhelming for the opponent. The bad point is that I have absolutely zero sense of tactics and strategy in that state, simply charging at the enemy over and over. In fighting games it does work though.

Like one time I was at this tournament at some con... I didnt really do too well, really wasnt paying attention in the first match and rather made an idiot of myself. This was a bit agitating. I went off to a different corner of the room to have matches against random people, where I performed more like I usually do. Eventually, the tournament winner, recognized by many people there as some sort of high-ranked player (so I'm told, anyway) comes over, starts watching. After a few matches he challenges me directly, asking me to just use my best character right from the start. This, in front of a crowd that had already formed, particularly against that specific opponent, was bloody terrifying. And that pretty much started that mental state right from the get-go; I had no strategy or anything, just went nuts in his general direction. It was a massacre, which suffice it to say hadnt been the expected outcome. As satisfying as that may have been (also helped that he was one of the friendliest players I've ever met) I had to go back up to the hotel room and sit around for a couple of hours to calm down in order to not have some sort of breakdown.

That sort of thing is what often happens. This may sound like a really positive thing, but frankly, it isnt. First of all, it's STRESSFUL. I get really agitated and will stay that way for quite awhile afterwards. It's a little similar to a state of sensory overload, in terms of how it feels. So that's no fun at all. So I dont LIKE matches like that. A challenge is great and all but I really prefer more calm, fun matches in games. When I have matches like THAT though, it doesnt matter that it seems to impress everyone else; it makes me miserable. I just have alot of trouble dealing with the after-effects. Which, of course, include even more anxiety.

....also it's bloody useless in some genres. Wouldnt work in LoL or anything like that, no sir. Would just make things much worse. Just yelling "BLAAAARGH!! !!" and charging at the nearest opponent in a game like that just makes you go splat that much louder. Doesnt work in FPS games either. Or strategy games. Or... a variety of others. This actually adds a bit of anxiety to THOSE matches, because in many of those genres, if I start to lose control, I'll just make a damn fool of myself. And that's no fun at all. Since my mood tends to be so volatile, that means I have to be really careful when playing stuff like this, or I'll just ruin it for everyone else.

This is one reason why I tend to stick to things like non-ranked modes in many games, or just games where players arent expected to be as damn serious all the time. Overwatch, for instance. Yeah, there's a ranked mode where people are super serious and all of that. But it's non-ranked mode is even more of a "fun" experience than non-ranked is in many other games. I dont have to worry NEARLY as much about things that might agitate me there, so I end up doing okay. But even then, the idea of having to talk to anyone can still put me off from playing it. I just dont play if I'm getting anxiety. It's not even about embarrassing myself or any of that... if something like that happens in a game like Overwatch, it's usually pretty funny even for the person that it happens to. It's not like doing it in a game like, say, Counterstrike, where the "fun" atmosphere is utterly missing and even the game's mechanics are hyper-serious at all times.

And LoL can be like that, I think. The game really lends itself to a fun atmosphere.... but the PLAYERBASE doesnt. They ruin that. They can take that fun and just make it scary. "Scary" might seem like an odd word to apply to the idea of playing a video game, but that's what I get from it sometimes. I end up having ALOT of sympathy for those players that get stressed out or anxious playing LoL, because it sure as hell happens to me too. And that's BEFORE even jumping into the game.

This I think also is one reason why I tend to play supportive roles. I dont want to be the one that's supposed to "carry" the team at any point. I dont want to be relied on to that degree. It's bloody terrifying. And if I get too agitated I'll just lose it, which'll make it even worse. Granted, this "being relied on" bit can happen in small doses as a support, in those occaisional situations where suddenly I have to RESCUE the carry player from something, but that happens so suddenly and is over so quickly that it doesnt bug me. As much.


As for the roles I play, in a moba like LoL, I can technically do any role.... but never a "carry" role. Never. And even then there's other roles I'd rather not do, too, because they're more "front and center". Wheras in something like Overwatch, well... in that game my favorite role is that of a tank (usually D.Va). I can dive in front of teammates to save them from their own derpyness (or whatever) and support in general. Or I'm good with characters whose entire existence is focused around being as freaking irritating as conceivably possible (driving the opponent crazy and thus becoming the focus of their rage is, in effect, a way of supporting, because an opponent shooting at me isnt shooting at my teammates). But I'll do any role in that game and enjoy it at least somewhat, just because it has that better "atmosphere", and because "carrying" just doesnt occur in that game. Even if I'm not all that good at it.



Ugh, sorry, rambly as hell post. But it's an interesting topic to me and one I've thought alot about and had experiences with. Also I think I've had a bit too much caffiene again, I rant more when that happens.

Bloody hell that Futari game is crazy, how do you know what's happaning

I can't comment on some of what you're saying as I'm not really into fighting games (struggling to put thoughts into words) played a bit of tekken, street fighter and mortal kombat and have seen that frenzy fighting works. I'm just more of a casual gamer I guess is where we differ. you seem to be one of them masochist gamers were Dark souls is too forgiving ? (joke)

Well done for keeping some cool, I don't even like one person watching unless it's the other player.


I think alot of us get like that but in diffrent ways. I can sometimes get meltdowns when playing games with random people or when a game doesn't seem fair or is to fast paced, the Futari game would not last long


This is a problem I have with LOL were the game forces you to constantly engage mainly due to your team or that one person threatening to report you. I like to be able to watch for an opening or see what kind of play style my team\enemy is using.
I've been playing alot of ARAM and have been doing better in game with champions that can hold back and support\hide in bush. after thinking about what we've been talking about, even been given a few honorable opponent things.. after a defeat.

Chogarth 6\5\19 - 3\8\28
Kennen 6\4\10 - 10\6\22
Heimer 4\6\38
Annie 9\8\24

But you are right the player's can suck the fun out of any game mode on LOL even if you're doing well as support\tank.
Yes you're allowed to use the word "Scary" alot of the people I've seen on LOL take the game way to seriously and will bash anyone without thinking.


Don't worrie I don't mind. Have you ever thought of playig Yi ? I always thought Yi players were high on coffe

It's just hard to get thoughts into words for a reply, written word is difficult and structured differently + been stressed out (none game related)

Aye, Futari is nuts, aint it?

The reasons I can do that is A: I'm really good at mentally processing LOTS of things at once without slowing down, and B: I've played these games... tons of them... about a squillion times. They're kinda like Roguelikes, in that typically players that enjoy the genre will play them over... and over... and over... and over... alot like how you might see someone playing, say, Binding of Isaac, and they've got like 2000+ hours in the game. They're the sorts of games that rather encourage LOTS of replay.

I will say though that the "process lots of stuff at once" bit isnt always so useful. It's helpful outside of gaming, specifically when driving (lots to pay attention to on the road) so I can spot problems much faster, but... aside from that, it can really get in the way. I do things that way so much that I cannot focus on just ONE thing at a time. I mean, seriously, I just cant do it. My attention wanders and I get spaced-out, which happens easily. So I'm very bad at tasks that require tons of focus on one specific thing. While I dont work anymore, when I DID have to have jobs, I ended up being terrible at most of them because there just was never enough going on (except during the Christmas season, all that chaos). It's kinda like having the direct opposite of many autistics I've met; so many of them seem *really* good at specifically focusing perfectly on a task, and getting it 100% complete because of that focus. I try that and it's just bad for everyone involved. So... that's a thing.

As for Dark Souls, hmm... that game is an interesting beast. It's one of those games that to me LOOKS hard, but when you really get to understand how to go about things, it's not nearly as tough as it looks. Not even close. But alot of people take a long time to figure this out. It's like the very first Castlevania game on the NES. That game looks bloody impossible to many. But if you really take the time to learn it, you see it for what it actually is: a game based on memorization. An enemy that seems difficult and confusing, like those little jumping jerks, will tend to push you around alot at first. But once you really grasp how they work, they become, well, trivial. No challenge left in them. Even the bosses just end up dying in your general direction. It's what I call "deceptive difficulty", and Dark Souls has ALOT of it. Doesnt make it bad, mind you, and doesnt make it downright easy. But I think it's an interesting topic, when it comes to game design.


And yeah, I know what you mean with LoL and being forced into really stupid fights. Though, even if they're doing that you dont HAVE to just automatically do what they're saying. The people that look into reports arent stupid; typically it's not hard to see if someone is intentionally feeding, or something like that. If they're not doing something that's clearly INTENTIONALLY bad, the report is discarded. I personally just mute everyone when they start getting snotty like that. "Advice" thrown at me in anger isnt exactly very likely to be GOOD advice. Particularly if I'm playing a support. I'm not SUPPOSED to jump into the fray unless it's to rescue a teammate. I'm supposed to stay in the back. But people will still flip out about that, and.... honestly I just dont care. If they're going to be jerks, I mute them. If they're going too far, or if they threaten a report TOO much, I just report THEM. One thing about reports: If the other guys are clearly being asshats, but you are clearly refusing to respond to them or engage them verbally, that counts as following the rules quite well for you. Since that's exactly what you're supposed to do: just ignore people acting like that. The moment you start actually arguing with them is the moment when you open yourself up to trouble. So I say, if someone starts doing that and it gets aggravating, mute them, and then report afterwards. As long as you're doing what you can to win, clearly not playing to lose, you'll be fine. The people that look at reports know full well that players often use threat of reporting to get others to do what they want.

Sure irritates me that people act like that though. I mean, really, would it hurt them to be good sports for five freaking minutes? So many of them cant even manage that.

I have been playing for a while now, my brother also plays and a lot of times we play together but yeah he's the one who kinda got me into it. I've only just started giving ranked a go as well, but sticking to Soraka support or Taric in instances where Soraka gets banned as I don't think I am nearly good enough with other champions and roles yet to do those in ranked.

Sometimes I feel like I must be the slowest learner ever on the game, but then again it's the first multiplayer online game I've really played where you're working with a team and all that. Basically it is best to try and enjoy it, ignore people being jerks...I am not perfect at this I still can get pissed off when people talk crap but of course taking my time to respond or defend myself in chat just takes away from my game play I've noticed so I just try and ignore it.

Also though as I think was already discussed somewhat but what people say you should do isn't always what you should do. I have been trying to learn to jungle and especially with that role this comes up. Like people will be saying you should come gank them, why didn't you go help them...but in reality you don't want to go in and just get killed as well, so it is better to go in lanes that are holding better, rather than somewhere you're just as likely to feed as save your ally.

Another thing to though I know some people say they play video games to chill or relax on the weekend or after a long weekday. I don't think League is one of those games though, you have to be alert and able to keep up with the fast pace and pay attention to all of whats going on...so it's not the game to play to relieve the days stress. I know it negatively effects my game play whenever I try and play but am not all present mentally for the game.

Over all I really enjoy it though, even though the raging can get rather toxic at times...but I imagine that is with any games like this.

I hear what you're both saying about not always listening to other players. I've read enough forums and know enough about designing to understand that there is no perfect system or one way around things.
(wording might sound nasty ? I'm just brain storming with you guys)

The best way I can think of this is checkers and chess. both have strategy but veriy in possibility ? Alot of us would be checkers you'd be chess.


I'm sorry to hear that. I've just started to work again and know unemployment can be stressful and a little isolating. Are you ok ?



Looking at this is kinda confusing. Why would you bash new or casual players, I've seen alot of threats to report for bad skill\game, who told them that's what reports are used for ? You're messing with your future bread and butter.

It's a few years off but the only way this is going to end is like the old multiplayer servers were only the elites stay, With the people who did most of the ridicules reporting being turned into the weaker players and leaving. it's the circle of life and now I have the lion king song in my head.

anyone i've tried to introduce to LOL don't make it past lvl 5

Sorry post may have been tangent, I'm just venting and working things out in my head
don't suppose anyone would be up for non ranked team games ?

Actually the reason I dont work is because I dont need the money. There was a time when that was different, and then everything changed. Suffice it to say, I now dont have to work or worry about that and can typically do whatever the heck I want. It's not like a major health issue stopping me or something.

However, at the same time, I do know that if I hadnt lucked out with the money, I'd probably be in trouble. When I DID work the autism stuff got in the way non-stop. Just one problem after another. And at such mundane, brainless jobs, too... I tell ya, it doesnt feel too good to fail at working a blasted cash register in some store.

I cant even imagine what it must be like for so many with similar issues. Whenever someone can overcome that stuff, I find it very impressive. Not something I was ever able to do. But that's fine, I guess.

That being said, yes, it's more than a little isolating when I just dont really have much to do most days. Stuck in the house alot of the time, except when I can find an anime convention to go to (AKA, one within a sane driving distance). The travelling like that does help but only so much.



Getting back to topic though... I think the main reason why people bash new or casual players is the exact same reason why bullies do what they do: because it gives them a feeling of superiority, and a sort of twisted satisfaction. I mean, when you get right down to it, that's basically what it is, isnt it? Picking on someone who is weaker, simply because. They get a kick out of doing it, and the anonymity of the Net makes it even worse (though they still act like that even in-person, much of the time. Just within the fighting genre, there's alot of videos showing tons of infamous moments of this sort of thing even at tournaments, which you'd think would have a professional atmosphere, but nope...).

It really does happen in every online game though. Hell, even MMOs have this sometimes (though not nearly as much as competitve games). It's pathetic.

The best thing a new player can do in alot of games is to try to find a clan or whatever that's specifically made to be a welcome environment to newcomers; most games, including LoL, have clans like this out there, and they exist because of people getting tired of this kind of crap and deciding "You know what... that's enough. Let's get a place going where people can learn without having to deal with bullies". Very commendable when that happens.

I just wish more people could do that sort of thing though.

I'd be up for some team games at some point, though it's been quite some time since I've been on, boy will I be rusty...

I dunno that we have all that many players here though. It seems to be mostly console gamers in this place?

Just out of curiosity, have you played any other games of this type? Dota, Smite, or whatever?

I wouldn't bash new or casual players, I imagine that kind of behavior does essentially come down to bullying...they know you won't be the best player when your new so they mock you for it just to get under your skin. Also there is an option for reporting unskilled...but I think that is specifically meant for competitive ranked like if someone is just feeding a ton every match and could perhaps use a notification to try and practice more in normal's, I don't think it is taken seriously by the moderators if someone just has a bad game or people are just threatening it to pick on someone new. I personally think it would be best to remove that from the check box in the report function as it seems the most likely report reason to be abused.

Also I play quite a bit of non ranked, however I suspect due to location we're not on the same server...though was going to make another account soon, not replacing the one I have but I think it may be useful to start out knowing how to play already if that makes sense.

i don't think I want to make this conversation about bullys as we would be here for years trapped in a loop. I'm listening and you're welcome to talk about it tho ?

Do you mean online gaming ?
this is pretty much my first encounter with games like this. Other then this I uset to play with a freind on medal of honor and unreal tournament online around 2003.
Never used online console gaming, just single player and stopped keeping up after 2012.




I don't mind making a new account as you're both american ?

Sorry in a rush