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01 Oct 2009, 8:46 pm

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Skittles, I'm not sure what you mean by breeding Dragon Dance onto it. I didn't know you could breed pokemon...oh, is it with the Daycare Center?
It involves putting two pokemon of different genders and same egg group in the day care center. The after a while an egg will be left, and from the egg it will be the type of pokemon from the females evolution line, and learn certain moves from the male line. What skittles is saying is to have a female Dratini, Gragonair or Dragonite, and put it in the Daycare center with a male pokemon in Dragon egg group and knows the move Dragon Dance. Best choice I think is Gyarados, maybe if you're past one you used was a male you can use that.
Thank you so much :D That is so cool, I'll definitely be trying that (though maybe not with Dratini because I'm a little set with her right now)



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01 Oct 2009, 8:48 pm

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http://www.smogon.com/rs/pokemon/dragonite

I would definitely recommend the SubPuncher set, since all 4 of the moves involved are relatively easy to find in FireRed (3 TM's, one Move Tutor).

Gyarados is an absolute MONSTER in the fourth generation (when it finally got some physical Water-type moves to work with), but in the third generation, I would definitely go with Dragonite.

And just a helpful hint, ALL the fully evolved, non-legendary dragons other than Kingdra are 4x weak to Ice.
Thank you for the advice, I remember using Gyarados once in Ruby and he was really powerful.



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01 Oct 2009, 8:58 pm

ebec11 wrote:
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http://www.smogon.com/rs/pokemon/dragonite

I would definitely recommend the SubPuncher set, since all 4 of the moves involved are relatively easy to find in FireRed (3 TM's, one Move Tutor).

Gyarados is an absolute MONSTER in the fourth generation (when it finally got some physical Water-type moves to work with), but in the third generation, I would definitely go with Dragonite.

And just a helpful hint, ALL the fully evolved, non-legendary dragons other than Kingdra are 4x weak to Ice.
Thank you for the advice, I remember using Gyarados once in Ruby and he was really powerful.


No problem, Pokemon is one of my interests right now, so I could probably answer any question you have. Here's a helpful link that explains how to breed moves onto a Pokemon: Pokémon Breeding


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05 Oct 2009, 8:46 pm

ill always go with garados i juat think he looks cooler :D



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06 Oct 2009, 2:16 pm

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ill always go with garados i juat think he looks cooler :D


Picking a Pokémon by looks isn't the best way to go. Although a lot of the powerful ones look incredibly badass (Gyarados, Tyranitar, Scizor, Salamence, etc.), you want to use whatever Pokémon fills a role/provides a resistance your team needs.

By picking on looks (I bet you're a Mac user :P) you miss out on some incredibly useful Pokémon; Blissey is the perfect example. With 255 base HP and 135 base Special Defense, she is hands down the best special wall in the game.

Also, Scizor may look cooler than Forretress, but you wouldn't use it over Forrestress for only that reason.


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06 Oct 2009, 2:38 pm

And I know from Pokemon Stadium 2 if Tyranitar does not have good enough moves, it misses out on a lot of it's potential. Choosing moves are important, don't have to necesarily be the strongest, but have a couple of surprises, like teaching Houndoom Solar beam. Also sometimes you can get cocky with Tyranitar, despite the fact it has a large weakness to fighting moves, and if an enemy manages to get a "revenge" on it, it can take a lot of damage. I remember when I got my first Tyranitar, it was Augast 28th, 2001 (the day my youngest brother was born :lol: )

If looks were realy important, Absol would be better, and Mew would be beaten by Vigoroth.


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06 Oct 2009, 2:54 pm

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And I know from Pokemon Stadium 2 if Tyranitar does not have good enough moves, it misses out on a lot of it's potential. Choosing moves are important, don't have to necesarily be the strongest, but have a couple of surprises, like teaching Houndoom Solar beam. Also sometimes you can get cocky with Tyranitar, despite the fact it has a large weakness to fighting moves, and if an enemy manages to get a "revenge" on it, it can take a lot of damage. I remember when I got my first Tyranitar, it was Augast 28th, 2001 (the day my youngest brother was born :lol: )

If looks were realy important, Absol would be better, and Mew would be beaten by Vigoroth.


Absol actually has a ridiculously high attack stat, it's just too frail to stay in long enough to use it well.

Definitely right on about teaching it the right moves. For instance, in Diamond and Pearl, you wouldn't want to teach Gyarados Surf over Waterfall (or Hydro Pump over Aqua Tail) just because of Surf's higher base power. If you did that, you would be doing a lot less damage since Gyarados's Special Attack is much lower than its Attack.


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06 Oct 2009, 3:29 pm

pat2rome wrote:
Volcanic wrote:
ill always go with garados i juat think he looks cooler :D


Picking a Pokémon by looks isn't the best way to go. Although a lot of the powerful ones look incredibly badass (Gyarados, Tyranitar, Scizor, Salamence, etc.), you want to use whatever Pokémon fills a role/provides a resistance your team needs.

By picking on looks (I bet you're a Mac user :P) you miss out on some incredibly useful Pokémon; Blissey is the perfect example. With 255 base HP and 135 base Special Defense, she is hands down the best special wall in the game.

Also, Scizor may look cooler than Forretress, but you wouldn't use it over Forrestress for only that reason.


yeh i know. ill always pick charmander or squirtle over bulbasaur cuz venasaur is realy ugly but bulbasaur is cute and for me is more useful early in the game.

and im not a mac user but im getting one for christmas and im gonna put windows on it cuz they look aaaaawsome!! !



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06 Oct 2009, 3:55 pm

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yeh i know. ill always pick charmander or squirtle over bulbasaur cuz venasaur is realy ugly but bulbasaur is cute and for me is more useful early in the game.

and im not a mac user but im getting one for christmas and im gonna put windows on it cuz they look aaaaawsome!! !


Wow, I was completely joking when I said the Mac thing.

If you're going to pay all the extra money for a Mac, why would you put Windows on it? That makes as much sense as me saving up for a Ferrari and then putting my Corolla's engine in it. You're basically paying for the brand only with no real advantages.

You can buy a PC for the same amount of money as a Mac, except the PC will be much faster with a lot more memory than the Mac (you can even make it look awesome).


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06 Oct 2009, 6:08 pm

pat2rome wrote:
Volcanic wrote:
yeh i know. ill always pick charmander or squirtle over bulbasaur cuz venasaur is realy ugly but bulbasaur is cute and for me is more useful early in the game.

and im not a mac user but im getting one for christmas and im gonna put windows on it cuz they look aaaaawsome!! !


Wow, I was completely joking when I said the Mac thing.

If you're going to pay all the extra money for a Mac, why would you put Windows on it? That makes as much sense as me saving up for a Ferrari and then putting my Corolla's engine in it. You're basically paying for the brand only with no real advantages.

You can buy a PC for the same amount of money as a Mac, except the PC will be much faster with a lot more memory than the Mac (you can even make it look awesome).


id never get a mac. i was talking about a MACBOOK cuz they look so awsome. there realy nice. and im getting 1 for christmas. im not apying for it so its not my problem



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23 Oct 2009, 11:04 pm

I would say dragonite, simply because of the very effective move combinations. Gyarados doesn't have much defence though but it makes an okay sweeper for those pokemon you just can't seem to knock out. I always start a wifi battle with my dragonite, which knows ice beam, flamethrower, thunderbolt and outrage, outrage is used if no pokemon that comes up which ice beam, flamethrower or thunderbolt won't be super effective.



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23 Oct 2009, 11:57 pm

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I would say dragonite, simply because of the very effective move combinations. Gyarados doesn't have much defence though but it makes an okay sweeper for those pokemon you just can't seem to knock out. I always start a wifi battle with my dragonite, which knows ice beam, flamethrower, thunderbolt and outrage, outrage is used if no pokemon that comes up which ice beam, flamethrower or thunderbolt won't be super effective.


Gyarados is less bulky than Dragonite is, but you can switch it in with a little bit of strategy. A good plan is to switch in a Pokemon like Aggron in before Gyarados to hopefully lure in a choiced Pokemon that will try to hit Aggron on one of its two 4x weaknesses or its 2x weakness, all of which Gyarados resists or is immune to. The Intimidate on the switch-in will lessen the damage taken even more if the opponent used a physical attack like Close Combat or Earthquake. Then you can Dragon Dance on the switch and proceed to sweep with your boosted attack and speed.


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06 Nov 2009, 7:24 am

i, have a great and simple plan, USE BOTH



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11 Nov 2009, 11:18 pm

If you were in Sinnoh or Hoenn, I would've told you to use GYARADOS in an Earthquake/Lightningrod team for an epic win... but this is Kanto...

All I can say is that DRAGONITE will beat out GYARADOS for speed, and the former has a wider range of attack types.
I can tell that, judging by the Pokemon you're bringing up, you must be up to the Elite Four! You'll have to consider which Pokemon you will be up against, and make your selection based on that. Best of luck! =]


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11 Nov 2009, 11:26 pm

BeauZa wrote:
If you were in Sinnoh or Hoenn, I would've told you to use GYARADOS in an Earthquake/Lightningrod team for an epic win... but this is Kanto...

All I can say is that DRAGONITE will beat out GYARADOS for speed, and the former has a wider range of attack types.
I can tell that, judging by the Pokemon you're bringing up, you must be up to the Elite Four! You'll have to consider which Pokemon you will be up against, and make your selection based on that. Best of luck! =]


Actually, it's the remakes, so the Lightningrod combo still works. Also, Gyarados actually has one more point of base speed than Dragonite, which means when both are at max speed, Gyarados beats Dragonite by two (or three, when both have a speed-boosting nature).


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12 Nov 2009, 10:59 pm

Ohh, I knew about the abilities - sorry, but it has been quite a while - but I thought that FR and LG didn't have double battles... my memory is a bit hazy. ^^;
Do they have the double battles? =S


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