Who here hates Steam and similar DRM methods?

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the market for mac games is a lot smaller so a complete code rewrite or port is usually not a financially sound decision, there are plenty of high quality indie games for the mac.

I actually don't mind steam's DRM simply because even though it's in place (it's really not that harsh, compared to many other methods... games for windows live is notorious and painful to deal with), it's in place to cover Valve's butt. They want the protection and ABILITY to say "nope, can't play that anymore" but they know that they wouldn't utilize it. They have it as a safeguard incase things get out of hand. If they started shutting down customer's access to games, they would lose future sales and even more customers due to the outrage.

Solution:

play everything on consoles!! !

seriously though I'm absolutely fine with Steam, if my computer blows up I can just redownload the game on my new one.

Steam sucks.

Pc gaming sucks(GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS GRAPHICS)

Console gaming is more fun

dont like steam? well its best method out there now as well as origin, welcome to future soldier
it also allows you to trade your games ...or get retail copies and activate em on steam!

Did you just compare Origin to Steam..?

Like most things in life their is pros and cons but I believe DRM is leading into a very impractical market that will slowly strip our rights as buyers. The war on piracy is hypocritical and gilded with lies in order to protect the greed of the music and gaming industry. The artists do not lose out and the majority of people who pirate games and music where never going to buy them in the first place. It actually usually causes the individual to later purchase the game or movie because they got to see what it is really about.

Steam is not the worst example of DRM though as it does have the offline capabilities and what not but with EA behind it, I can only suspect they are waiting to crush their customers. These anti piracy laws are so bent on keeping people from "stealing" the companies in reality are stealing from the customer. The war on piracy is a simple gimmick for the mass corporations to make more money through unethical means. They charge just as much if not more for products online despite what they save by not shipping or boxing the product. They make it easy to accuse you of stealing their product when it shows up on another computer even if you happen to have bought another computer. They are selling products that exist in cyberspace and frankly have no true value which is criminal in itself. The work they put into some of the things they sell such as the massive Sims market or facebook is minimal and they make massive amounts of money.

True creativity has never been about making massive amounts of money. If people were creative before big industry and artistic and barely made it what makes them think creativity will die all of a sudden. I find that lie to frankly be insulting. Usually if any money is lost its the big corporate bullies and not the artists. They just use excuses to cheat the artist and try to squeeze even more money out of people. DRM and anti piracy laws should be illegal and to a degree already are by the constitution which never gave federal government the power to be the corporate worlds personal lap dog and police officer. If they feel someone did them wrong let them spend their own money hunting down small fries. In order to steal you have to take a physical object of some sort from a person that will depreciate their value. Piracy technically does not do this. They are not truly losing any money but only in "theory" You cannot prosecute someone or a nation in this case based on simple theory. The only criminals are the corporate hounds who are stealing from their customers through biased laws brought into being probably through bribery. I support user rights.

Personally I don't pirate because for one I don't want to be harassed by the government and I would just rather limit myself to what I know I will like and buy accordingly. I do not support government dictatorship for a small group of rich people who can't understand they have more than enough money as it is.

tell me where is difference

Origin:
- Spyware (shares data with 3rd parties)
- Forced translations for store and some other things
- Good and fast customer support
- Deletes games you haven't played in certain amount of time what I forgot
- No offline mode as far as I know
- No idea about DRMs but I guess "normal" 1-5 installs only

Steam:
- Offline mode
- Fully working language switcher and translations (translations made by slaves.. I mean volunteer users)
- Slow semi-good support
- Loads of sales and seasonal discounts
- Never deletes your account or games and most of the 3rd party DRMs allow unlimited installs for Steam users
- Few fixable bugs from time to time

I have used Steam since 2004 and Origin only for BF3 beta for about 25 hours and probably wont be using Origin ever unless BF3 (retail) requires me to use it

I like Steam because all my games are all in one place and its much easier. I also love the sales that Steam has all the time. The bad thing about the sales is that it takes all my money away. I don't like Origin that much at all.

I won't use steam and won't do any digital downloads of video games. I want a disk and a case or I won't buy it.

I'm mad enough that they won't even give you an instruction book with Sims 3 games any more. If people say it's to help the environment that is total bs since they sold the town Barnacle Bay in a case in the store. That had no disk and they case only contained a code to download it. They could have sold that on a card or something.

I don't want that Origin thing either although I think the makers of the Sims are trying to get more people to use it.

I guess its up to the game developer if they want to make manuals/fliers/etc for their games, not the way the game is being sold.

There are some games on Steam which has manuals but not that many of those either..
Examples:
http://cdn.steampowered.com/Manuals/280 ... 1318018180
http://cdn.steampowered.com/Manuals/112 ... 1302715575
http://cdn.steampowered.com/Manuals/720 ... 1307551480
http://cdn.steampowered.com/Manuals/431 ... os=windows

First of all Steam is a godsend in the pc gaming world because they work hard to make sure your account stays safe and for another if you loose a disk or something your fine because it is saved on their database that you have the game. It is definatly not a DBM besides what is your beef with Steam it was created and is still maintained by a major gaming franchise Valve the creaters of TF2 Portal L4D HL and others. They would never rip people off because they are a gaming franchise besides that if they were a rip off they wouldn't be working with other top gaming franchises like EA, Epic, Ubisoft, THQ, and Bethesda, they also work with major pc component brand companies like Nvidia and ATI. Other pc online game stores that are actually DBM are a total scam without a doubt, I definatly would not purchase games using Xfire or the stupid ultimate gaming card place unless it was a free to play game you intended on paying for a month or something.