iamnotaparakeet
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22 Dec 2009, 12:27 pm
Sand wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
MEATGRINDER wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Letum wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
The only real deadly sin is irrationality. Since it is the only one, it is the greatest.
What makes you think rationality is better than irrationality?
Bear mind that if you answer this question with any degree of rationality, you will be using a circular argument because you can't use rationality to justify the use of rationality.
Boring.
Irrationality is what turns sexual attraction into lust. Ambition into greed, hunger into glutony. Not being rational is what leads people into wrath or into thinking that being proud is a bad thing... It is also what makes us fall prey of religious stupidity and conspiracy theories. It is the one and only deadly sin, it can not only kill you, it can make you kill others just out of your mere existence of spreading stupidity everywhere. It is also what lead you to make that lame post.
Having the ability and use of reason does not preclude one from committing lust, does it?
Lust is what ensures the survival of our species since we are mortal and the only way that humanity can continue to exist is to reproduce(sexually). The notion that lust is a sin is just plain St00pid.....But then again so is the bible.
Ah, so it is possible to rationalize lust. You do realize that if survival of the species is what matters, then rape and cannibalism can also be justified likewise?
Sort of along the sex life of the praying mantis?
Could use that as an example. Similar to justifying homosexuality because it occurs in nature as well:
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One use of modus tollens is the reductio ad absurdum argument, i.e. showing that a premise is false by demonstrating that it implies an absurd conclusion.
An example is the effort by Bishop John Shelby Spong to show that homosexual acts are OK because some animals practise them. As it stands, the argument is invalid. To make it valid, another premise is needed that states: whatever animals do is OK.
1) Animals practise homosexual acts;
2) Whatever animals practise is OK;
∴ Homosexual acts are OK.
To prove the argument to be sound, that premise must be proved to be true. Conversely, to prove the argument to be unsound, the premise must be shown to be false. This can be done by showing that it leads to a ridiculous conclusion:
1) Animals practise rape and cannibalism;
2) What animals do is OK;
∴ Rape and cannibalism are OK.
Now if one does not accept the conclusion, if one is logical one must reject one or more of the premises. As (1) is empirically true, (2) must be the false premise. So Spong’s argument contains a false premise and is thus unsound.
An example is the effort by Bishop John Shelby Spong to show that homosexual acts are OK because some animals practise them. As it stands, the argument is invalid. To make it valid, another premise is needed that states: whatever animals do is OK.
1) Animals practise homosexual acts;
2) Whatever animals practise is OK;
∴ Homosexual acts are OK.
To prove the argument to be sound, that premise must be proved to be true. Conversely, to prove the argument to be unsound, the premise must be shown to be false. This can be done by showing that it leads to a ridiculous conclusion:
1) Animals practise rape and cannibalism;
2) What animals do is OK;
∴ Rape and cannibalism are OK.
Now if one does not accept the conclusion, if one is logical one must reject one or more of the premises. As (1) is empirically true, (2) must be the false premise. So Spong’s argument contains a false premise and is thus unsound.
22 Dec 2009, 12:59 pm
22 Dec 2009, 1:52 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
MEATGRINDER wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Letum wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
The only real deadly sin is irrationality. Since it is the only one, it is the greatest.
What makes you think rationality is better than irrationality?
Bear mind that if you answer this question with any degree of rationality, you will be using a circular argument because you can't use rationality to justify the use of rationality.
Boring.
Irrationality is what turns sexual attraction into lust. Ambition into greed, hunger into glutony. Not being rational is what leads people into wrath or into thinking that being proud is a bad thing... It is also what makes us fall prey of religious stupidity and conspiracy theories. It is the one and only deadly sin, it can not only kill you, it can make you kill others just out of your mere existence of spreading stupidity everywhere. It is also what lead you to make that lame post.
Having the ability and use of reason does not preclude one from committing lust, does it?
Lust is what ensures the survival of our species since we are mortal and the only way that humanity can continue to exist is to reproduce(sexually). The notion that lust is a sin is just plain St00pid.....But then again so is the bible.
Ah, so it is possible to rationalize lust. You do realize that if survival of the species is what matters, then rape and cannibalism can also be justified likewise?[/quote
Lust by definition is sexual desire. If there were no lust, then most people wouldnt put much effort into getting sex. Sex is the ONLY biological means we have of procreating! No sex means no children, no children means no future for the human race after those who are already born grow old and die. I dont see any evidence that cannibalism is necessary for the survival of our species as a whole. Rape is very much a form of aggression and has little to due with lust despite being a sexual act.
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23 Dec 2009, 5:18 am
MEATGRINDER wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
MEATGRINDER wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
Letum wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
The only real deadly sin is irrationality. Since it is the only one, it is the greatest.
What makes you think rationality is better than irrationality?
Bear mind that if you answer this question with any degree of rationality, you will be using a circular argument because you can't use rationality to justify the use of rationality.
Boring.
Irrationality is what turns sexual attraction into lust. Ambition into greed, hunger into glutony. Not being rational is what leads people into wrath or into thinking that being proud is a bad thing... It is also what makes us fall prey of religious stupidity and conspiracy theories. It is the one and only deadly sin, it can not only kill you, it can make you kill others just out of your mere existence of spreading stupidity everywhere. It is also what lead you to make that lame post.
Having the ability and use of reason does not preclude one from committing lust, does it?
Lust is what ensures the survival of our species since we are mortal and the only way that humanity can continue to exist is to reproduce(sexually). The notion that lust is a sin is just plain St00pid.....But then again so is the bible.
Ah, so it is possible to rationalize lust. You do realize that if survival of the species is what matters, then rape and cannibalism can also be justified likewise?
Lust by definition is sexual desire. If there were no lust, then most people wouldnt put much effort into getting sex. Sex is the ONLY biological means we have of procreating! No sex means no children, no children means no future for the human race after those who are already born grow old and die. I dont see any evidence that cannibalism is necessary for the survival of our species as a whole. Rape is very much a form of aggression and has little to due with lust despite being a sexual act.
Thank you for proving that lust is able to be rationalized. Wouldn't greed by equally justifiable according to the same pattern of thought?
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23 Dec 2009, 11:59 pm
Greed is what I pick, absolutly. Where do I even start with the #% it brings? One sin can be part of another, but greed belongs in all the other six in it's own uncool way. I see it just about everywhere I go. 
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25 Dec 2009, 1:37 am
Sand wrote:
Frankly, I rate gullibility as the greatest sin, but that sin is unacceptable in a religious context.
gullibility is required in a religious context
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25 Dec 2009, 2:03 am
sinsboldly wrote:
Sand wrote:
Frankly, I rate gullibility as the greatest sin, but that sin is unacceptable in a religious context.
gullibility is required in a religious context
And voting.
