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16 Jan 2010, 8:02 pm

I think man desires to be good.


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16 Jan 2010, 8:26 pm

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Now I see that I was stupid because there is so much beauty in humanity, like the beauty in dolphins. Yeah, there is a lot of ugliness, but there is far more beauty.


I view the balance as the opposite, there is some beauty in humanity, but there is far more ugliness. I guess I've read too much history to have any respect for human nature. My opinion therefore, at my most negative, is that of Cat's Cradle's Julian Castle: 'Man is vile, he has done nothing worth doing, he knows nothing worth knowing.' At my most positive it's probably more like that in Peer Gynt: at one point the Devil remarks Hell is desolate, because most people are too petty to merit neither Heaven nor Hell. There are individual people I like, but I see no reason to love humanity in general.
I think I share Orwell's view of nature. Still, I like cacti and hawks...


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16 Jan 2010, 8:28 pm

You only see things the way you think you ought to see them.


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16 Jan 2010, 9:02 pm

If I had the power I would destroy everything and everyone. So I guess I fit into this category.

Why? Why not?


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16 Jan 2010, 9:05 pm

Did you like the world and people when you were 7 years old?


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16 Jan 2010, 9:08 pm

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Did you like the world and people when you were 7 years old?

Not really. I remember wishing I was born as a dog at that age. :) They have a calm and peaceful life without stress and agony.


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16 Jan 2010, 9:11 pm

Wow, that is messed up. I never felt like I was a dog unless I was imagining it through Jack London books.


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16 Jan 2010, 9:13 pm

I didn't feel like I was a dog. I just wished I was born as a dog instead of a human back then.


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16 Jan 2010, 9:15 pm

me too, who hasn't...

What does this have to do with the price of apples?


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16 Jan 2010, 9:18 pm

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me too, who hasn't...

What does this have to do with the price of apples?

Apples? You tell me.


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16 Jan 2010, 9:31 pm

At a certain time I used to be, anymore - and for years now - my irritation has just been the human condition, our 46 chromosomes, our bondage to animal needs or inability to surpass the building blocks we're given by too much. My current outlook on free will even further tells me that I can hate the game, often do, but its pointless to hate the player - you really just set your blood boiling for nothing (which, when you think about it, is a self-induced harm to your mental state and long term health that the world around you generally isn't worth; maybe a few shining exceptions, for the most part though - no).


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16 Jan 2010, 9:35 pm

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my irritation has just been the human condition,
our 46 chromosomes,
our bondage to animal needs or inability to surpass
the building blocks we're given by too much.
My current outlook on free will even
further tells me that I can hate the game, often do,
but its pointless to hate the player -
you really just set your blood boiling for nothing
(which, when you think about it, is a self-induced harm to your mental state and long term health that the world around you generally isn't worth; maybe a few shining exceptions, for the most part though - no).

that needs to go into a song tech,

I agree.


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17 Jan 2010, 12:54 am

Magnus wrote:
Did you like the world and people when you were 7 years old?

Nope. I felt as if I was born the wrong species.... I should have been a cat. I remember from an extremly young age, maybe three or four, screaming to my parents that God put me in the wrong body. Not only did I have a dificult time accepting I was female, I had trouble accepting I was human. Maybe I am screwed up mentaly. I realised I was a human as I got older but I still have been better at relating to cats and animals than other humans.


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17 Jan 2010, 3:11 am

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I'm a misanthrope based on my years of observation of other people. Humans are, in general, contemptible and stupid creatures.


Same here



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17 Jan 2010, 3:23 am

Magnus wrote:
You only see things the way you think you ought to see them.


I somewhat agree with this.
I base my attitudes on the desired effect I wish to create.
When I focus on the negative aspects of people it is easier to hate them, and this hate can possibly lead to wishing them harm. This attitude doesn't make me happy, and on a world-scale it leads to a great many people being hurt.

Therefore, for the purposes of more peace in the world it is important to force myself to find the positive aspects of people. Admittedly I have to stay away from them as much as possible in order to do this - I guess that means my love for them is conditional - dependent on an acceptable distance.

So what I do is consider the fact that I wouldn't survive very well without them. Other people grow the food I eat, transport it along roads they build, and sell it in shops they work in. This computer and the light run off electricity created by Them. They created the pipes that provide me with water and carry away my waste products. I bow down to the Almighty People - the creators of my happiness!! !

When I think of this kindness it makes me happy. So that makes another thing that they do for me! I don't deny the existence of the negative aspects of people (or the fact those things that they do are due to their need to make a living). But I choose not to focus on the negative aspects because I want to avoid feeling hate/anger and other negative mental states. And focusing on the kind things that they do acts as a great antidote for this.

It's easier to like animals because our expectations of them are lower. Humans are supposedly more intelligent so we are continually let down when their behaviour doesn't reflect this expected intelligence. When we're continually disappointed by people it can lead us to hate them. That's why I find it easier to like them when I don't observe them so much.

I live in my own fantasy world where I focus on the goodness in people which is thoroughly disproportionate to reality - and it makes me very happy!!


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