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28 Jun 2011, 12:24 pm

Maybe about this question.

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt166309.html

I cannot assume that I will understand the God's answer, but I will always remember the God's answer.



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28 Jun 2011, 2:33 pm

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Bull feathers.
Whether you're a believer or not is irrelevent to the question.
If you're an avowed atheist and to your surprise you find that god not only exists but has invited you to dinner you might have atleast as much to say to him as would a theist.
For starters you might ask "why do you go to such great lengths to conceal all evidence of your existence?"

And other questions related to your lack of belief.


Where and when I grew up it was horse feathers - I think you are conflating two idioms, or you community did.

Your strange response recalls what brought me wo WP in the first place - the "crazy lady" who wanted my 5-6 year old self to tell her the story that went with each of a set of pictures.

Later I realized they were likely checking my face-reading lack of skill with an eye to AS. THAT was owl pellets, if you will. A picture of a boy sitting on a step - there IS no story like that.

Maybe others can - if so great. But asking questions of an imaginary being? I will wait till Princess Leia calls me.



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28 Jun 2011, 3:08 pm

Perhaps the inability to imagine even a hypothetical god is what the experts mean when they say aspies lack imagination?



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28 Jun 2011, 5:23 pm

Philologos wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:

Bull feathers.
Whether you're a believer or not is irrelevent to the question.
If you're an avowed atheist and to your surprise you find that god not only exists but has invited you to dinner you might have atleast as much to say to him as would a theist.
For starters you might ask "why do you go to such great lengths to conceal all evidence of your existence?"

And other questions related to your lack of belief.


Where and when I grew up it was horse feathers - I think you are conflating two idioms, or you community did.

Your strange response recalls what brought me wo WP in the first place - the "crazy lady" who wanted my 5-6 year old self to tell her the story that went with each of a set of pictures.

Later I realized they were likely checking my face-reading lack of skill with an eye to AS. THAT was owl pellets, if you will. A picture of a boy sitting on a step - there IS no story like that.

Maybe others can - if so great. But asking questions of an imaginary being? I will wait till Princess Leia calls me.


Calling my resonse "strange" is like calling the practice of breathing oxegen "strange".

you're response to my response is itsself so odd that it must be because the question itsself disturbs you.

you're assumption is just that- an asumption that God is just like the god of your religion.
If you actually met him he might turn out to be Vishnu, or some other non christian type god. So even though you're a believer having dinner with god might be atleast as devasting for you as it would be for an atheist if not more so. And you cant face that.

For an atheist there would be an awkward moment followed by the person saying "well sir, I was wrong!" And then the one time atheist would eagerly ask the old man a bevy of questions about life, the universe, and everything, including "which religion is closest to the truth?"

But for a believer in a particular religion meeting a god that turns out NOT to be the god of their particular faith would be much more devastating than that.

So, if anything imagining a conversation with a generic god is easir for a nonbeliever than for a believer.



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28 Jun 2011, 5:25 pm

To let me know one day that this whole world is fictitious, that there aren't people suffering and dying all over the world, that mass atrocities and barbarisms didn't happen, but that all of this is a simulation - the whole course of human history and the some 6 billion people living around me - given to me in order to somehow teach me the mechanics of something particular about essential natures and how they can go wrong.

If there's no other pain in the world but my own - I might be able to forgive him.


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28 Jun 2011, 5:32 pm

I fear you misunderstand me - besides the parts to which you have no access.

Like the fact that contact with a divine entity came well before sorting out that the distinctive features of that communication matched the postulates of a particular theology.

You really need to loosen up fromk assuming that everybody signs on to a religion and then builds God.

Vishnu, I don't know from Vishnu. If Vishnu exists I suspdect he / she / it is not God - though there may be some who interact with God and call him Vishnu.

But I am pretty clear that the entity with whom I communicate - while unimaginably more complex than I can handle here - DOES include the channel he uses with me.

No - I simply am not good at conversing even with a human of whom I know nothing, let alone an imaginary one.



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28 Jun 2011, 5:34 pm

I'd ask why he was so fond of beetles. There are over 300,000 different species and if He created the Earth then it seems like a rather silly thing to do. I mean, if he REALLY liked beetles, why are we more advanced than them? Theoretically there should be Beetle "Humanoids" walking about instead of something from an ape.


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28 Jun 2011, 7:44 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:
I mean, if he REALLY liked beetles, why are we more advanced than them? Theoretically there should be Beetle "Humanoids" walking about instead of something from an ape.


You do err. What besides ethnocentric hubris - not the most apt term, but you will know what I mean - makes you or any other primate think WE are more advanced?

IF we accept any of the reasonably well known evolutionary models, each of those beetle species has spent JUST as much time adapting and evolving as you and I.

We tell ourselves [so very Bandar-Log] that the things WE do are advanced - and prove it to ourself by killing off other species and ruining environments for ourselves and others. Hey, killer bees and rats can do THAT.

I have not noticed other species agreeing that we are more advanced. Unless trying to avoid us counts.



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28 Jun 2011, 7:57 pm

Philologos wrote:
HerrGrimm wrote:
I mean, if he REALLY liked beetles, why are we more advanced than them? Theoretically there should be Beetle "Humanoids" walking about instead of something from an ape.


You do err. What besides ethnocentric hubris - not the most apt term, but you will know what I mean - makes you or any other primate think WE are more advanced?

IF we accept any of the reasonably well known evolutionary models, each of those beetle species has spent JUST as much time adapting and evolving as you and I.

We tell ourselves [so very Bandar-Log] that the things WE do are advanced - and prove it to ourself by killing off other species and ruining environments for ourselves and others. Hey, killer bees and rats can do THAT.

I have not noticed other species agreeing that we are more advanced. Unless trying to avoid us counts.


Hey! Another successful attempt at communication. I'm with you all the way. I'm sure that when you meet God and are invited to dinner you will appreciate He/It/Her is a beetle and you and God will have a great discussion while you munch on whatever beetles eat.



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28 Jun 2011, 8:11 pm

Sand wrote:
Hey! Another successful attempt at communication. I'm with you all the way. I'm sure that when you meet God and are invited to dinner you will appreciate He/It/Her is a beetle and you and God will have a great discussion while you munch on whatever beetles eat.


God DEFINITELY has to be a Goliath beetle. No other species makes sense. According to sources, they eat sugar, tree sap, and fruit. But I cannot ask a second question as to what kind of trees there are. I do not like to eat fruit, so I might be a terrible dinner guest. How embarrassing would it be if God offered you food that could not eat?

Another question I would ask is if He planned to create the Earth and all His inhabitants, why was He so inept as to not build a fence around the Tree of Good and Evil? I mean, you just told an ignorant species that something was illegal, so OBVIOUSLY they are going to try it out. I bet the War on Drugs was all God's idea, too.


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28 Jun 2011, 8:28 pm

You'd be quite surprised to find he's a dung beetle, then? :lol:



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28 Jun 2011, 8:42 pm

I would follow 'Mans' example in H2G2 along the lines of

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But says I, you standing here in front of me proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. QED" and in such I way I would rid the universe of a bloody vicious tyrant. :wink:


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28 Jun 2011, 8:46 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
I would follow 'Mans' example in H2G2 along the lines of

"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing." "But says I, you standing here in front of me proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. QED" and in such I way I would rid the universe of a bloody vicious tyrant. :wink:


:lol:

there are so many contradictions i would like cleared up

could god make a stone so heavy he couldnt lift it? is a classic


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28 Jun 2011, 8:47 pm

YippySkippy wrote:
You'd be quite surprised to find he's a dung beetle, then? :lol:


The scarab was sacred to the Egyptians.

Thing about the symbolism of new life from a ball of dung.



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28 Jun 2011, 8:55 pm

HerrGrimm wrote:

Another question I would ask is if He planned to create the Earth and all His inhabitants, why was He so inept as to not build a fence around the Tree of Good and Evil? I mean, you just told an ignorant species that something was illegal, so OBVIOUSLY they are going to try it out. I bet the War on Drugs was all God's idea, too.


You obviously are not familiar with the concept of the geas - familiar to all of us into mythology and folklore [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geis]. The geas - prohibition / injunction built into the plot - is a setup. As soon as you see it, you KNOW it is going to get violated.

Does it not make sense that this concept is so widespread in our mythology / folklore BECAUSE it is an essential element in the divine plan.



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28 Jun 2011, 9:05 pm

I'd ask God why he thought that humans could rule each other.