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ruveyn wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
In order for an object to move from point A to point B it must first reach a point halfway between point A and point B.
In order for it to reach THAT point it must reach the point halfway between point A and this third point.
In order for it to reach THAT fourth point it must first reach a point halfway between point A and THAT fifth point. .. and so.. for every one of the set of infinite number of points between point A and point B.
Obviously an object cant occupy an infinite number of points in finite time. Thus all motion is impossible.
Since motion is impossible time itself is impossible!
So time doesnt exist!
In order for it to reach THAT point it must reach the point halfway between point A and this third point.
In order for it to reach THAT fourth point it must first reach a point halfway between point A and THAT fifth point. .. and so.. for every one of the set of infinite number of points between point A and point B.
Obviously an object cant occupy an infinite number of points in finite time. Thus all motion is impossible.
Since motion is impossible time itself is impossible!
So time doesnt exist!
Zeno's old saw. Sum up the negative powers of 2 and you get a finite number.
ruveyn
Correct. But the ancient Greeks in Xeno's time were unfamiliar with convergence and mathematical series.
It made sense to them.
One of the earliest persons to discover mathematical series was Archimedes.
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Kurgan wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
In order for an object to move from point A to point B it must first reach a point halfway between point A and point B.
In order for it to reach THAT point it must reach the point halfway between point A and this third point.
In order for it to reach THAT fourth point it must first reach a point halfway between point A and THAT fifth point. .. and so.. for every one of the set of infinite number of points between point A and point B.
Obviously an object cant occupy an infinite number of points in finite time. Thus all motion is impossible.
Since motion is impossible time itself is impossible!
So time doesnt exist!
In order for it to reach THAT point it must reach the point halfway between point A and this third point.
In order for it to reach THAT fourth point it must first reach a point halfway between point A and THAT fifth point. .. and so.. for every one of the set of infinite number of points between point A and point B.
Obviously an object cant occupy an infinite number of points in finite time. Thus all motion is impossible.
Since motion is impossible time itself is impossible!
So time doesnt exist!
Zeno's old saw. Sum up the negative powers of 2 and you get a finite number.
ruveyn
Correct. But the ancient Greeks in Xeno's time were unfamiliar with convergence and mathematical series.
It made sense to them. One of the earliest persons to discover mathematical series was Archimedes.
He invented integral calculus 1700 years before Newton and Leibniz.
ruveyn
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20 Oct 2012, 7:10 am
spacebrain wrote:
If a tree falls in the woods...
If this universe is finite, then time is in between two states of inexistence. Can this time be said to have existed without an observer? In my opinion, no, time only exists insofar as it can be experienced.
If this universe is finite, then time is in between two states of inexistence. Can this time be said to have existed without an observer? In my opinion, no, time only exists insofar as it can be experienced.
If a Tree fell on a Mime in the woods...
would anybody care ?
Sorry...it just reminded me of that. I shouldn't add Mimes to the mix. Will screw everything up.
20 Oct 2012, 7:17 am
AnotherKind wrote:
Toy_Soldier wrote:
I don't think Time as a dimenson exsists. At least I see no proof of it and no evidence of being able to move along it, as in forwards or backwards. I think time is just a way of us concieving of the history of things, like writing what you did today in a diary.
Moving from a point to another is made in time, as the evolution of the matter, as every modification made in nature and the same applies to the process of thinking. And if it is not made in time then it is safe to say that all the matter appeared suddenly out of nowhere? If it 'appeared' suddenly could be infinite?
Before we were born, was there any time? Could time exist outside of our perception? We - as matter and energy - evolve in the same time with time? Could time be ahead of us? Why decisions are already taken by our brains 6 seconds before of our understanding? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6S9OidmNZM
Well.... I am a little slow on the uptake. Especially before I have had my coffee!
This subject, maybe more then any other gives me the feeling my head will explode.
"I love the smell of exploded brains in the morning. Smells like... Victory"
Toy_Soldier in 'Zombie Apocalyspe Now'
