10 Pro-Gun Myths, Shot Down

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03 Mar 2013, 11:09 pm

In all my life, I've never threatened to overthrow my government, as much as I sometimes dislike it.
And I don't believe it's fear of armed insurrection that keeps the government from becoming tyrannical, but the rule of law and political power of the people.

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03 Mar 2013, 11:14 pm

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I brought that up to illustrate that guerrilla armies rarely defeat professional armies out right, and that's how wars are won. And as for the U.S. pulling out if Vietnam mentioned as a success of guerrillas - that had as much, or more, to do with American public opinion against the war.

You miss an important part of the effectiveness of guerrilla warfare.

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While the name Francis Marion sounds familiar, I'm afraid I have to ask you to refresh my memory.

Google it.

I did Google Francis Marion, and while he was an effective guerrilla leader, he still comes off as much as a dirty bastard as his arch-rival, Tarelton. He murdered freed slaves who worked for the British, killed not only loyalists but also those sitting on the fence, and after the war, he was an inbreeder, marrying his own cousin. Gotta think he probably was the result of a long line of inbreeding.

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03 Mar 2013, 11:14 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

In all my life, I've never threatened to overthrow my government, as much as I sometimes dislike it.

Neither have I - but that doesn't mean that the threat isn't there.

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And I don't believe it's fear of armed insurrection that keeps the government from becoming tyrannical, but the rule of law and political power of the people.

The rule of law and political power of the people are both things that can be taken away by a government that doesn't fear the repercussions. It's happened time and time again throughout history - starting with the Roman Empire, and including Hitler's rise to power in Germany.

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03 Mar 2013, 11:29 pm

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The Second Amendment is the teeth of the political power of the people.

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03 Mar 2013, 11:46 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Raptor wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

You miss an important part of the effectiveness of guerrilla warfare.

Kraichgauer wrote:

While the name Francis Marion sounds familiar, I'm afraid I have to ask you to refresh my memory.

Google it.

I know he married his cousin (shame on them) but I'm skeptical of those other charges.

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04 Mar 2013, 10:11 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:

The deterrent works equally well against internal threats.

It didn't work very well in 9/11.

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04 Mar 2013, 2:19 pm

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sliqua-jcooter wrote:

The deterrent works equally well against internal threats.

It didn't work very well in 9/11.

That's not at all what I meant by "internal threats"

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05 Mar 2013, 10:04 am

sliqua-jcooter wrote:

Dragoness wrote:

sliqua-jcooter wrote:

The deterrent works equally well against internal threats.

It didn't work very well in 9/11.

That's not at all what I meant by "internal threats"

Oh. Internal threats. Yes, your right, internal and external threats are two different things. My bad.

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05 Mar 2013, 1:12 pm

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"Guns don't kill people, people do."

As a history teacher of mine put it, "That's like saying 'cars don't kill people, people do.' "

It's true, and the majority here can say that gunmen are awesome.

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05 Mar 2013, 2:15 pm

ColdDish wrote:

Dragoness wrote:

"Guns don't kill people, people do."

As a history teacher of mine put it, "That's like saying 'cars don't kill people, people do.' "

It's true, and the majority here can say that gunmen are awesome.

Huh?

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05 Mar 2013, 8:32 pm

ColdDish wrote:

Dragoness wrote:

"Guns don't kill people, people do."

As a history teacher of mine put it, "That's like saying 'cars don't kill people, people do.' "

It's true, and the majority here can say that gunmen are awesome.

Can you please explain.........or go start taking your medications again? Whichever the case may be?

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05 Mar 2013, 8:43 pm

Dragoness wrote:

"Guns don't kill people, people do."

As a history teacher of mine put it, "That's like saying 'cars don't kill people, people do.' "

Well duh, they're both inanimate objects, and they both require some idiot to screw up and kill people. Also, oddly enough, people die more from auto accidents than from gun deaths... SO LET'S BAN CARS!

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06 Mar 2013, 1:06 am

DerStadtschutz wrote:

Dragoness wrote:

"Guns don't kill people, people do."

As a history teacher of mine put it, "That's like saying 'cars don't kill people, people do.' "

Interestingly, there's about 50 million more guns than cars, but about 1000 fewer homicides by firearms than DUI fatalities every year.

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