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30 Nov 2013, 2:29 pm

Housedays wrote:
Can God create a rock that he can't lift?

Can God make it rain and not rain at the same time?

Can God make 2 + 2 = 5?

God can lift any rock through the power of wind.
Rain and not rain. It would just mean it's dry or the water evaporates before it reaches the earth's surface.
2 +2 can only be four. If you have two apples and someone gives you two more, you have four. Not five.



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30 Nov 2013, 11:07 pm

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You just said God cannot lie, so it's not true that God can do anything that's possible.


God lying is impossible. God is all-powerful, but God is also perfect and unchanging. God doing something that is not consistent with His perfect, unchanging character is impossible. If He did, He would cease to be God.


But lying itself is not impossible. Humans themselves can lie.

It would be more accurate to say that, while God can't do every single thing that's possible, God can do a lot of things that humans could only dream of doing.



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01 Dec 2013, 5:29 am

If god can do anything then why doesnt he? Why does he expect mere humans to do everything for him? Simple answer to that either
A. hes lazy or
B. He does not exist.


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01 Dec 2013, 6:08 am

michaudw wrote:
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You just said God cannot lie, so it's not true that God can do anything that's possible.


God lying is impossible. God is all-powerful, but God is also perfect and unchanging. God doing something that is not consistent with His perfect, unchanging character is impossible. If He did, He would cease to be God.

Doesn't God lie on several occasions in the Old Testament?



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01 Dec 2013, 7:35 am

MCalavera wrote:
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You just said God cannot lie, so it's not true that God can do anything that's possible.


God lying is impossible. God is all-powerful, but God is also perfect and unchanging. God doing something that is not consistent with His perfect, unchanging character is impossible. If He did, He would cease to be God.


But lying itself is not impossible. Humans themselves can lie.

It would be more accurate to say that, while God can't do every single thing that's possible, God can do a lot of things that humans could only dream of doing.


Humans do not have perfect, unchanging natures, so it is possible for humans to lie. But God is perfect and unchanging in nature, so it is impossible for Him to lie.



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01 Dec 2013, 7:40 am

michaudw wrote:
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You just said God cannot lie, so it's not true that God can do anything that's possible.


God lying is impossible. God is all-powerful, but God is also perfect and unchanging. God doing something that is not consistent with His perfect, unchanging character is impossible. If He did, He would cease to be God.


But lying itself is not impossible. Humans themselves can lie.

It would be more accurate to say that, while God can't do every single thing that's possible, God can do a lot of things that humans could only dream of doing.


Humans do not have perfect, unchanging natures, so it is possible for humans to lie. But God is perfect and unchanging in nature, so it is impossible for Him to lie.


How does being perfect logically necessitate that God cannot, therefore, lie?

What exactly is perfect? And how exactly is God's nature unchanging but human nature isn't?

God lied on a few occasions according to the Old Testament. He even brags about deceiving certain prophets. How is it then that you say such a God cannot lie?



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03 Dec 2013, 2:59 am

Allah, The Merciful, is the All-powerful.

Just look at our physical bodies and the world around us. Do you think all this is possible without the existence of Allah? We would be non existence but Allah decided to create all of us.

Glory be to Allah, The Exalted, alone and there is no one worthy of being worshiped but Allah and Muhammed, Peace be upon Him, is the last messenger of Allah.


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03 Dec 2013, 5:23 am

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Just look at our physical bodies and the world around us. Do you think all this is possible without the existence of Allah?


It is not only possible, it is the reality anyway. Try learning about sciences and evolution instead of the mythology in your religious texts. Spouting "God is great" doesn't count as a sensible argument , certainly not on this debate forum.


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