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Is being gay normal or wrong?
It's perfectly normal, of course! 31%  31%  [ 193 ]
It's perfectly normal, of course! 31%  31%  [ 194 ]
It's wrong and people should be punished for such sodomy! 5%  5%  [ 34 ]
It's wrong and people should be punished for such sodomy! 5%  5%  [ 34 ]
It's really none of my business. 14%  14%  [ 85 ]
It's really none of my business. 14%  14%  [ 85 ]
Total votes : 625

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30 Jul 2005, 4:21 am

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The other problem with that condition is that it ignores the real world we live in, where straight guys don't feel any shame about expressing their heterosexual interests in the presence of gay people. If I go to a pub with the guys after work, why should I have to listen to them verbally undressing the waitress and keep my own mouth shut about the cute bartender?


this is sooo true. i always feel afraid to express any feelings toward the same sex in the company of my straight friends just incase it might make them uncomfortable. but they don't think twice about saying stuff. if i had a girlfriend people might get offended if we kissed in public, but straight people do it all the time.

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yah i loooved the animation, and the song too. but the Bunny is so cute! the video is full of avatar material :D


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30 Jul 2005, 4:29 am

How can it be a sin when there are non-religious people in the world??? Like myself. The word “sin” is just some unwritten rule for me, because the so-called “rulebook” doesn’t apply to me, it is not mandatory. No one in my country told me that the “bible” was a rulebook.

Our rulebook is called “The Norwegian Law” and it had a paragraph called the “racism paragraph” that states that is a person yells out racistic or homophobic words or commits violence against someone for their “minority/race/whatever/gayness/autism” they should go to jail.
Of course it happens a lot and not everyone goes to jail for it… But they should obviously.

There is no such thing as ”committing homosexual acts”
No one will get hurt from sex. Someone will get hurt from violence. And someone will most defenately go to jail…

If you don’t have it so easy being straight, maybe its time to try something new…
If you mean that a straight aspie have it just as worse as a gay NT, then you are “in the same boat” should help eachother instead of condemn eachother. I just mean that if a straight aspie has difficulties with relathionships, a gay aspie would have it super-difficult.

If you don’t like “flamboyant” men, does that mean you do not like women either? Very feminine women that is..

I think its time to burn the bible and accept all gay people right now.



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30 Jul 2005, 4:31 am

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I *love* your avatar. I wonder how many people on here know where it came from? I thought the song was a bit repetitive but the animation was still cute.


yah i loooved the animation, and the song too. but the Bunny is so cute! the video is full of avatar material :D


Isn't it from the video clip for TISM's "Everybody Else Has Had More Sex Than Me", which is a title that can relate to many people with AS. I assume you're Australian then...


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30 Jul 2005, 4:40 am

no i'm not australian. :) the video is online:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/flash/moresexthanme.html


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30 Jul 2005, 6:51 am

Ha, didn't think anyone outside of Australia would've heard of Tism, they're fairly underground here as it is.


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30 Jul 2005, 8:46 am

marvelous thing that internet. :wink:


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30 Jul 2005, 12:50 pm

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For the most part it's biological, although I'm sure that someone here will argue with me on that (preparing data to counter them as you read this) However, yes we do have free will and I guess someone could "choose" to be gay if they wanted to.

In my opinion being gay is like being an aspie...it may not be the norm in our society, but it is as valid as any other way of being.

I sure hope for your sake that your data is more credible than the Kinsey Report and I absolutely despise the comparison of Asperger's to homosexuality! :evil:


I think we're about the social equivalent though :lol:
Nothing against them or us...


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30 Jul 2005, 1:02 pm

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30 Jul 2005, 2:20 pm

thank you, louis, and the other mods.



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30 Jul 2005, 3:34 pm

Here's the answer you are waiting for Vetivert:

The problems with homosexuality that make it a sin have to with the adverse effects it has on the mind. Not only does it serve as a catalyst to encourage self-destructive behaviors. For starters, homosexual relationships are usually short-lived and unstable, and by deductive reasoning, it can be determined that they are unfulfilling. Now, this happens in heterosexual relationships as well, but there are many other practices and problems in homosexual relationships that are rarely if ever found in herterosexual ones. For examle, straight couples don't need to attand special seminars to learn how to avoid killing their partners during acts of sadomasochism. Now, if homosexuality was that simple, God would have probably commanded Moses to let the homosexuals destroy each other in the Old Testament writings. However, there are many other things going on that create problems for society, such as: homosexuals spreading diseases due to often having a staggering number of partners, molesting children, and children that are molested frequently (but not always) either become abusers or have other severe emotional problems themselves, and seeking to undermine the stability of the traditional family to recruit kids into the practice of homosexuality, so that the whole vicious cycle keeps on growing until you end up with a society much like Sodom where God had to directly intervene and destroy it to keep their practices form spreading to other parts of the world.

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And what is your personal stake in homosexuality? You obviously can't ignore it....

My stake in homosexuality is the defense of the traditional family that has proven the test of time for at least 5000 years.

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Our rulebook is called “The Norwegian Law” and it had a paragraph called the “racism paragraph” that states that is a person yells out racistic or homophobic words or commits violence against someone for their “minority/race/whatever/gayness/autism” they should go to jail.
Of course it happens a lot and not everyone goes to jail for it… But they should obviously.

There are laws agains violence, threats, and publicly encouraging violence here too. However, Congress is forbidden from passing any law that would prohibit people from publicly stating that homosexuality is wrong because that would violate free speech laws and prevent the discussion of matters that may effect new legislation. If Congress did pass such a law, that would undermine the whole democratic process.



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30 Jul 2005, 4:12 pm

Why do straight S&M couples not have to attend these seminars, but gay ones do?



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30 Jul 2005, 4:18 pm

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Why do straight S&M couples not have to attend these seminars, but gay ones do?

No one is forced to do anything. I did not create the seminar, so I don't know why it is for homosexuals only. Furthermore, I think S&M is ret*d.



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30 Jul 2005, 4:30 pm

thank you for replying, sean.

i've read your post thoroughly, and i'm still not convinced. apart from anythng else, i see little evidence for your claims. and i'm sure the gay men and women i know would be fascinated to hear that gay acts "have an adverse effect" on their minds.

all your claims seem to be made against gay men, so are you saying that lesbians are a different case?

what exactly are these "self-destructive behaviours"?

your claim that short term relationships are unfulfilling, based on "deductive reasoning" is intriguing - can you please take me through your deductive resoning process, as i cannot for the life of me get the same result from my own deductive reasoning.

perhaps straight couples SHOULD attend the S&M seminars you mention - then the Tory party might be lose fewer members to such unfortunate events.

please do cite some references or evidence for your claims about child abuse and homosexuality, as i've always been led to believe that heterosexual men form the largest group of culprits in this particular area. of course, i only have this from my job, which often includes working with sexually abused children.

recruitment into homosexuality - where did you get that from?

a quotation from shakespeare comes to mind - "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing". i may even have quoted it correctly, but, even if i haven't, i think you get my point.



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30 Jul 2005, 4:40 pm

Sean wrote:
Here's the answer you are waiting for Vetivert:

The problems with homosexuality that make it a sin have to with the adverse effects it has on the mind. Not only does it serve as a catalyst to encourage self-destructive behaviors. For starters, homosexual relationships are usually short-lived and unstable, and by deductive reasoning, it can be determined that they are unfulfilling. Now, this happens in heterosexual relationships as well, but there are many other practices and problems in homosexual relationships that are rarely if ever found in herterosexual ones. For examle, straight couples don't need to attand special seminars to learn how to avoid killing their partners during acts of sadomasochism. Now, if homosexuality was that simple, God would have probably commanded Moses to let the homosexuals destroy each other in the Old Testament writings. However, there are many other things going on that create problems for society, such as: homosexuals spreading diseases due to often having a staggering number of partners, molesting children, and children that are molested frequently (but not always) either become abusers or have other severe emotional problems themselves, and seeking to undermine the stability of the traditional family to recruit kids into the practice of homosexuality, so that the whole vicious cycle keeps on growing until you end up with a society much like Sodom where God had to directly intervene and destroy it to keep their practices form spreading to other parts of the world.

Actually, there is a large amout of research that shows that the majority, the HUGE majority of molesters are heterosexual. I work in an AIDS clinic and I feel particularly qualified to point out that HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases are on the rise in heterosexual communities while in many places, particularly large cities, HIV has stabilized or is decreasing in incidence (new cases) among men who have sex with men. I would like to see you back up your claims with hard facts. Het people also have a "staggering number of sex partners." Diseases like HIV are on the rise among IV drug users which research also shows cuts across all racial, class, gender and sexuality lines. By the way I am a raging queer and any number of people, gay and straight alike will tell you my mind is perfectly intact. One could also make the argument that the bible and religion have adverse effects on the mind and encourage destructive behavior. Have you noticed the many wars around the world that rage in the name of religion? Maybe if you spent less time worried about who people love and have sex with, you might notice the bigger picture. Nothing you say is factual, it's all opinion. Yes you have a right to it but I think your type of opinion encourages more hate in the world while homosexuality, that is people loving whomever they want to despite gender only adds more love to the world. I pity you.



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30 Jul 2005, 5:16 pm

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Due to the nature of this debate and concerns from other users, certain moderators who either have no stake in this issue or are willing to keep their opinions to themselves will be watching this thread closely for violations to the terms of service.


on reflection...

why does it need to be mods who keep their opinions to themselves? surely the whole point is that there is a WP guidelines thingy, which states - categorically - that homophobia (etc.) ain't allowed. so it's not a matter of opinion, it's a matter of The Rules. that's what rules are for, isn't it?

the definition of homophobia is the definition of homophobia, whether you state your opinion or not.

i'm a little puzzled...



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30 Jul 2005, 5:25 pm

Vertivert,

When this thread was formed, it was discussed with the other moderators whether it should be kept open or if we should kill it quickly. We decided that it should be kept open because it is a topic of debate and if we killed it, another similar topic would take its place anyways.

As far as homophobia, there is a difference between debating an opinion and threatening a group of people. The persons that have done the later in this thread have been dealt with in accordance to the moderators guidelines and of moderator discussion (with persons who would be biased recusing themselves) as to how to best deal with the problem. As far as the former, the opinions will come out anyways and a good debate is healthy for all those involved.


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