God is a myth.

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I really hate to sound like I'm cherry-picking, thats not the idea, but let me ask you something. That statement sounds a bit absolute. Have you ever thought it possible that an equally intelligent and rational person could come to different conclusions than yourself? I'm just saying, Christians come in all types - saying belief in a Christian god at all makes them, x, y or z doesn't really sound all that informed.

If there was a god surely he'd give us all equanimity.

It's interesting that you bring up parenting, it wasn't on my mind. You seem to have strong views on this ... ? I am sure we are after the same thing, the health of the child.

This reminds me of something that was mentioned here a few weeks ago about how the same people often find themselves on opposite sides of a discussion, no matter what the subject; because underlying every subject is a basic view of what people are : that people are either (a) able to enlighten themselves, (b) must be shaped. (Actually I can't remember the options exactly - which is a shame because the idea is very important.)

I am (a).

So after all that this is my view :

When a child is born a parent should ask 'who are you ?', rather than say to it 'this is who you are ?'

I think the first statement and the second statement together form some kind of a paradox.

It's always like that, if you believe in God wether you are religous or just a believer, it would be always because it has been passed to you, otherwise you even wouldn't know what the word god means. We are all influenced by external factors, always have been like that, since we grow up, the thing is what you do with those things you learn, or what decision you make with it in your life and how you use them to get along with and help your neighbor, a good common sense and logic adding to it would be nice.

That would be a rather strange question for parents to ask their recently-born child! If it could talk, it would surely say, "Me? I thought you knew." If parents have to ask their child who it is, they're not qualified to be parents; they're idiots.

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Did you blow God off? Huh? You can tell me of you want.

You sir, are the most brainwashed a***hole I've ever seen.

With that I can guess that your parents were christians when you were born or when you were little and they raised you with those doctrines and you grew up with it. I think that might be a better explanation.

Actually what it does not deserve respect is stubborness and arrogance when it comes to moral things and stuff like that from some people, but if someone feels like God comes from inside of them, it's always because someone else's beliefs have been imposed, no matter what

I am probably taking your statements literally, probably you didn't mean it exactly that way.

I believe in god in my own way.
But think about the old religions, like the greek gods. Do we have more proof then them?

Everyone has their own beliefs, whether it is Muslims believing in Allah, Christians in Jehovah, Hindus in Sri Krishna or Vishnu, Buddhist in Buddha, and Pagans in Diana, Hecate or even Norse gods. No one group can say that their god is the only god and they are totally right AND cast aspersions upon all the rest just because they have been either taught that way or have some so-called covenant which says they are right and everyone else wrong. To do that would mean that it didn't matter what anyone else believed, unless we followed the Christian way (or whatever and nothing else), we may as well be mindless sheep, not questioning anything because we are told anything else is heresy. I suppose that may explain one reason why this 'God' told Adam and Eve not to eat from the tree of knowledge, because he wanted them to follow his mantra, and if they found out things were different, they might question him and doubt him. But it still doesn't make sense. Close-minded belief, such as that with which a lot of Christians for eg preach, is creating blind faith, and blind faith alone gets you nowhere. Therefore, beliefs should be discussed openly and not dismissed willy-nilly just because what is being questioned goes against the grain of what is being taught.

In Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Nietzsche states, through his character Zarathustra, that God died at the hand of the Ugliest Man because He pitied him (and all humankind) too much.

What is the evidence for this? The bible is not sufficient evidence for anyone besides those who already believe in the existence and divinity of Jesus.

There are some Jewish writings about Jesus, but they are dated after the New Testament and use it as their reference.

One of the other extrabiblical histories that exists, that of Josephus, that mentions Jesus appears to have been forged. The text citing Jesus sticks out like a sore thumb amongst the rest of the history, and though the history was written in the 1st century CE, the passage about Jesus was never mentioned until the 4th century CE - and then by one of the founders of the xian church. Another extrabiblical history, that of Tacitus, was written in the 2nd century CE and simply repeats what the author knows about persecuted xians, which is what the xians themselves claimed. Historical writings about xians is not the same thing as historical writings about christ.

Given the miracles that are claimed to have taken place during Jesus's lifetime, and the earthquakes and rising of the dead/ghosts that are said to have taken place at his death, why are the only sources for his supposed existence, or for the events of his lifetime, self-confirming? Why did no Romans write about him when he was alive? Why is there no Roman record of his trial and execution? Why is there no mention of earthquakes and ghosts around the supposed time of his death?

While absence of evidence is not necessarily evidence of absence, the lack of any histories citing what would have been remarkable miracles and events can be taken as negative evidence, rather than merely the lack. Maybe someone named Jesus did exist, and did pull some sleight-of-hand trikcs for his friends, but a despairing populace later inflated his existence far beyond its reality, after his death.

Rowan Atkinson's Jesus the Entertainer is a good sketch, but Christians would call it blasphemy.

The way I see this, is that you acknowledge that you don't have scientific evidence of that, it is actually a matter of faith, not a matter of facts, I suppose you agree with that, and you are wrong accusing a person of just mocking silly christians as you put it, I know other people may just do that for the fun of it, but not in this case.

Now on the thread thing, I don't know if God is a myth or not, might be actually real or might be not, another thing that I ask is about the Bible, I know there are some historical facts in there, but not all, I suppose there might be a mixture of mythology and reality there.

JohnnyBGoode: you don't need us to mock or make fun of you 'silly Christians' as you put it; you are doing a good enough job of it on your own without our help.

Nice to meet you, Notradamus.