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04 Sep 2025, 3:57 pm

That's not even what woke means, fascists just like inverting what words actually mean because ???



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04 Sep 2025, 4:27 pm

Like calling themselves national socialists...they've been doing this for a while.



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04 Sep 2025, 6:46 pm

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That's not even what woke means, fascists just like inverting what words actually mean because ???

Plenty of non-fascists were involved in "evolving" woke from its original meaning. I have read moderates and traditional liberals use woke to mean what I described.

"Woke Right" was coined to criticize very bad people. Isn't that the most important thing? Fascism is not being ignored. In the article I posted above, the author wrote, "Hitler—and WWII revisionism more broadly—central to the woke-right project"


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04 Sep 2025, 6:50 pm

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"Woke Right" was coined to criticize very bad people. Isn't that the most important thing? Fascism is not being ignored. In the article I posted above, the author wrote, "Hitler—and WWII revisionism more broadly—central to the woke-right project"

It's just utterly bizarre to me that they won't use the word fascism to describe fascism, like oh my G-d, there's a word that! We don't need to invent a new one!



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04 Sep 2025, 7:25 pm

MushroomPrincess wrote:
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"Woke Right" was coined to criticize very bad people. Isn't that the most important thing? Fascism is not being ignored. In the article I posted above, the author wrote, "Hitler—and WWII revisionism more broadly—central to the woke-right project"

It's just utterly bizarre to me that they won't use the word fascism to describe fascism, like oh my G-d, there's a word that! We don't need to invent a new one!

Ever hear of the fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf? Unfortunately, people have been claiming fascism/Nazism is coming for decades without it actually happening. Now that it is actually happening, people are rolling their eyes or ignoring people saying "Fascism".

The term "woke right" is not meant for strong progressives. It is meant for the people who hate Trump but voted for him anyway because they believed the Democrats were worse, because they were too "woke". It is saying to them the MAGA's you voted for are a bunch of hypocrites who are just as, if not more not more censorious, too concerned about identity etc., than the people you voted against. Don't do that again.

Yes, NT's are bizarre what can I say(LOL).


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04 Sep 2025, 8:02 pm

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"Woke Right" was coined to criticize very bad people. Isn't that the most important thing? Fascism is not being ignored. In the article I posted above, the author wrote, "Hitler—and WWII revisionism more broadly—central to the woke-right project"

It's just utterly bizarre to me that they won't use the word fascism to describe fascism, like oh my G-d, there's a word that! We don't need to invent a new one!

Ever hear of the fable The Boy Who Cried Wolf? Unfortunately, people have been claiming fascism/Nazism is coming for decades without it actually happening. Now that it is actually happening, people are rolling their eyes or ignoring people saying "Fascism".

Anti-fascists have been telling you for decades that this day was coming. And they were right, you were wrong. You don't get to call that "crying wolf." WE KNEW ALL ALONG THAT HE WAS A GOD-DAMN WOLF.

Writing's been on the wall for at least a decade. Anyone still claiming that it wasn't, is either as naive as a literal infant, or a gaslighting sociopath who wanted this to happen. I'll let you decide which of those two groups you prefer to identify with.



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04 Sep 2025, 10:48 pm

I’m on the side of people that voted against Trump three times. Anti fascists have been telling me this day was coming since Nixon was President. But this is not a matter of who has been correctly predicting this since 1970. It’s a matter of people yelling fascist and Nazi for things that weren’t for so long that by 2024 people saying don’t vote for Trump because this time it will really be fascism had no credibility.


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05 Sep 2025, 8:52 am

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I’m on the side of people that voted against Trump three times. Anti fascists have been telling me this day was coming since Nixon was President. But this is not a matter of who has been correctly predicting this since 1970. It’s a matter of people yelling fascist and Nazi for things that weren’t for so long that by 2024 people saying don’t vote for Trump because this time it will really be fascism had no credibility.

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You mean 2016. Which is kind of proving my point.



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05 Sep 2025, 10:01 am

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I’m on the side of people that voted against Trump three times. Anti fascists have been telling me this day was coming since Nixon was President. But this is not a matter of who has been correctly predicting this since 1970. It’s a matter of people yelling fascist and Nazi for things that weren’t for so long that by 2024 people saying don’t vote for Trump because this time it will really be fascism had no credibility.

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You mean 2016. Which is kind of proving my point.


I meant by 2024. In 2016 he was a wannabe dictator. He had not been elected yet and only a few of us thought he had a chance to win the 2016 election. The first Trump administration was a lot of bad things but it was not fascism. He wanted that but was too incompetent to carry it out. Coming into 2024 it was post insurrection, the Republican Party was the Trump party which it was not completely during his first term, Project 2025 told me and a lot of other people the MAGA’s were determined not to make the same mistakes again. Electing him once could be considered a fluke, the second time was a mandate. The MAGA’s credibly argued you guys are yelling fascism and Nazi all the time but it was you guys that anointed Harris as your nominee without single vote so who is the fascist? You guys are yelling fascist but it is you guys who are using every arm of the government to imprison your political opponent before the election so who is the fascist? Trump should be spending the rest of his life in prison but the optics were terrible.

Bottom line is arguments that Trump’s second term would be fascist were correct but all we were doing was preaching to the choir. These arguments had no credibility with the swing voters who decided the election.


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05 Sep 2025, 10:37 am

Some people never learn. This guy is probably still gonna be crying "anti fascists are the real fascists" when he's being loaded onto a train, lol



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05 Sep 2025, 11:21 am

Am concerned: The idea ,as in WW2 Germany . To divide the masses over a extended period of time . This group or that group. Use the media to create segragation . And further splinter those groups by some means ,The Black vote never materialized,when Harris , had a shot at the presidency. Due to the disillusionment they had generally had felt in a white dominated society. The Evangelical Christians clothed themselves as woke . Rump played them to his own benefit.
Spotting further opportunity to segragate with Israel committing a Genocide and the US having a large Arab population.
Get them both riled up. And distract the people . With other things , While he throws people out of office or positions that could anyway possibly threaten his power , Even military heads of the Armed forces were removed . Meanwhile further divide the society by Vaxxers and Anti-- vaxxers. Destroy any potential cohesion of any group of people. That could bond together agsinst the Rump. Keep things in the media upset. On a almost daily basis . Even control every single parent by employing Kennedy as a irratic head of the CDC and , create vaccine scares implieing children will not get basic medical vaccine protections .Parents are scared. But all the while , a calculated presidency , Slowly removes any resistance to his new powers as dictator . Distract, distract,distract...until no opposition exists against the person whom started the downfall of the US society. And this is a big follow through of removal of civil rights , all the way back in the Republican party with Bush enacting the Patriot act, a earlier successful attempt at removal of civil rights .
Let us not forget the DOGE , and effects ICE might have on society, Or sending other Red States national Guard into the Blue States Citys, To keep democrats busy , fighting that situation, while the real problem grows.With less opposition.
Just my opinion of a overveiw, of the events thrust upon us.


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05 Sep 2025, 6:18 pm

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Bottom line is arguments that Trump’s second term would be fascist were correct but all we were doing was preaching to the choir. These arguments had no credibility with the swing voters who decided the election.


77.5 million Americans apparently don't mind being labelled fascist. Name calling or labelling doesn't work with the MAGA mindset, any number of reasons can be put forward as window dressing
a) trump said he'll bring back jobs (tariffs)
b) trump will get tough on crime (send army into Washington)
c) trump will reduce cost of living (round up illegals and send them back)
d) trump will reduce government waste (DOGE and anti-DEI)
List goes on...

No need to say real reasons - attack trans kids, turn back civil rights for blacks and send Mexicans back....



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06 Sep 2025, 11:22 am

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In 2016 he was a wannabe dictator.

Yes, which is generally the first step toward being an actual dictator. Hindsight is always 20/20 so if you didn't see it back then then oh well, not a lot of people did (and I can excuse you, since you're a white male[read: privileged] and mostly blind to these sorts of things), but you can still admit that you should have seen it coming. If you won't even admit that, then uh..... that's kind of stubborn dude, why is it so hard for certain people in this country to say "sorry, we should have listened" ?



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06 Sep 2025, 12:39 pm

Barchan wrote:
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In 2016 he was a wannabe dictator.

Yes, which is generally the first step toward being an actual dictator. Hindsight is always 20/20 so if you didn't see it back then then oh well, not a lot of people did (and I can excuse you, since you're a white male[read: privileged] and mostly blind to these sorts of things), but you can still admit that you should have seen it coming. If you won't even admit that, then uh..... that's kind of stubborn dude, why is it so hard for certain people in this country to say "sorry, we should have listened" ?

In 2016 I knew he was a wannabee dictator. Did I know for sure he would win and succeed? No. But I thought it was definitely possible. That is the main reason I did not vote for him. These posts are not about my thinking which is unimportant. They are about the thinking of people who hate Trump but voted for him anyway because they thought the Democrats were worse. They decided the elections and if anything can be salvaged they are the ones who have to be convinced that Trump is the greater evil.


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06 Sep 2025, 12:52 pm

Barchan wrote:
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In 2016 he was a wannabe dictator.

Yes, which is generally the first step toward being an actual dictator. Hindsight is always 20/20 so if you didn't see it back then then oh well, not a lot of people did (and I can excuse you, since you're a white male[read: privileged] and mostly blind to these sorts of things), but you can still admit that you should have seen it coming. If you won't even admit that, then uh..... that's kind of stubborn dude, why is it so hard for certain people in this country to say "sorry, we should have listened" ?


All because half the country decided that an unstable, dictator (whether wannabe or actual) was infinitely better than a woman of any persuasion.


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06 Sep 2025, 1:13 pm

Why wouldn't you want a woman to run the country? I mean yes I do hold some old-fashioned views about women (yes and I'm a woman) but I know I'd rather vote for a woman president than a racist a**hole lunatic.


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