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'Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.



That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.'

I like the fact that Gavin Newsom is willing to fight dirty against Trump, but if you look at his actual policy positions, they're hardly progressive. I think after Trump, we're going to see a huge pendulum swing to the left (we're already seeing this with progressive Democrats sweeping the special elections), and I don't think Newsom is the right person to preside over this shift. We need someone who will actively drive the progressive agenda rather than just restore the previous status quo.

I agree.

If Newsom ends up as the next Democratic leader, that will see the party shift to the right in a similar manner as it did under Clinton, essentially normalizing the Trump era.

If you look at who Newsom has on his podcast it's mostly people from the far-right all the way to liberals, but not leftists. He can avoid both agreeing with them and having to try to argue against them if he just ignores them after all.

Joe Rogan is little more than a propagandist for the Epstein class.

Someone should try a make a documentary film about The Bible
being "The World's Most Stolen Book." (IK, ironic right?)

How would it be funded?

Which movie studio or studios would be a good fit for such a project?
(A24 or NEON could be great fits)

Who should be featured in it?
(IMO, Christians of all denominations, clergy, atheists, psychologists
and people who have stolen Bibles themselves)

What is the appeal of stealing a Bible when one could ask for one for free?

Are people who steal Bibles downloading digital copies of it just to try and get away with it?

If MAGAns believe that all Democrats are "communists", then all Republicans are "fascists".

They're gonna flip out when they read this, don't they? Well, that's plain tough! If the MAGAns will have no qualms insulting those who don't agree with them, then I'll insult them back just to give them a taste of their own medicine.

After Trumpism destroys itself and the young Commie Wannabes take over the country enforcing their own hostilities, BS, and lies on others, will I be allowed to keep practicing fortune telling with my playing cards?

Or is it off to the gulag and a reeducation center for me?

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I think that the most ironic thing about today's world is academics teaching that the concept of good and evil "doesn't exist" while also preaching about the "evils" of racism, misygony, homophobia, capitalism, Christianity, slavery, genocide, and colonization.

A significant portion of lefties are neo-pagans of various flavours, it's unlikely they'll turn on their friends religions.

Good point. Except they don't seem to consider me a friend because I'm not about the fluffy feel-good "love and light" (aka toxic positivity) stuff that's infected online spaces like Reddit and Facebook.

I prefer actual fortune telling when reading the cards, not using them as a psychological tool for self-reflection.

I'm perfectly ok with casting a curse on anyone who actually deserves it for bringing harm to me or my loved ones.

And as for the worship of the old "pagan" Gods and Goddesses, i prefer to accept them for what they were meant to be, not for what a lot of modern thinkers want them to be due to their modern sensitivities whitewashing the past to fit today's morals.

For example I can't stand the people who have transformed Lilith into a rebellious Venus-like feminist Goddess and ignore the fact that she was always a demon who murders infants with SIDS and preys on men giving them boners as they sleep.

I also can't stand the retelling of stories regarding Persephone that paint her relationship with Hades as one of a sheltered girl living under an annoying helicopter mother who wishes to run away with a handsome dark and brooding Underworld King.

The truth is that Persephone was kidnapped and assaulted against her will by Hades who tricked her into a forced marriage and Demeter had every right to be angry and upset over this given how she too was a victim of sexual assault from the Sea King Poseidon.

Any real mother worth her salt would probably have the same reaction to their child being snatched and wouldnt mind playing the badguy (like starving the entire world hostage if they happened to be a powerful deity) just to get their child back.

And yes the myths do say that Persephone and Hades learned to love each other as Husband & Wife, but it was still a messed up situation yet in the point of the myth wasn't to explain who was right or wrong but why we experience changing seasons.

So when it comes to two of the more popular Ancient Goddesses that neopagans love to embrace yet deeply misunderstand, Lilith mainly existed to explain why so many babies and even their mothers died young (as well as why men get erections at night), and Persephone in the cross between her Earth Mother Demeter and her Underworld Husband Hades existed to explain why the seasons change the way they do.

I can think of many more examples but those are my two favorites. I guess the fact that I do actual research into this stuff instead of taking modern retellings that sound like Percy Jackson fanfiction is why I'm so unpopular with other neopagans.

I prefer my old gods strait with no chaser. To be as messed up as the humans in power running our world.

TL;DR: There's no way to make a coalition where fluffbunny leftists (or any other flavour of religious left) are in a position to impose some sort of theocratic state on people. Fluffbunny leftists would inevitably end up as a minor partner in any coalition they're a part of.

Now, for the full word vomit version:

I think you're oversimplifying how people on the left view neo-paganism, when one of the few broad observations that can fairly be made about the left is that they very rarely agree on anything.

Yes, some lefties prefer fluff-bunny interpretations of paganism, but the idea that they're dominant is almost certainly because those are the ones most likely to voice their opinion.

It would be no different from if leftist Christians constantly insisted Quakers were the only proper interpretation of Christianity.

No one would take a person espousing the latter seriously, so why take the fluffbunnies seriously when even most of their allies dismiss their theological position as goofy?

The truth is, it's all a distraction from more serious, worldly issues and always has been. While I agree with your (what I'll call brutalist) interpretations; they're more aligned with how I also interpret those myths, at the end of the day the myths are just folk stories with stock characters and people retell them with shifting framing to make whatever point they're seeking to make.

Both sides of the Persephone and Hades myth are rooted in the reality of the place and time that created that myth. If one found themselves bridenapped, they might well be in a position where making lemonade from those lemons was the best available option since they can't flee back to their family (who are also forced to make peace with that outcome) otherwise they must accept a more shameful framing. Accepting the marriage allows all involved parties to save face.

Beyond that, most people don't really think about old gods and the myths attached to them at all. People focus on Christianity largely because it's ubiquitous, how relevant are the various Indo-European pagan religions to most people's lives?

I believe the battle you're worried about is more like a battle within a fandom than one that's likely to impact the world more broadly. I also believe that in some sort of 'leftist revolution' scenario that the non-believing bloc within the left is large enough and influential enough to basically shutdown any infighting between various religious factions.

Not that I believe some sort of revolution is likely to occur either.

Secularism seems to be a priority among religious leftists regardless of religion, so that's a factor that would make religiously motivated quarrelling much less likely. They might disagree with you and be rude about it, but that doesn't mean they want the state to punish you in any way.

It kinda seems like multiple layers of catastrophization to reach the scenario where somehow the fluffbunny left is now in a position to pursue some sort of theocratic agenda. But also, if they found themselves in that position following through would alienate virtually every other bloc within their coalition, given that the biggest bloc within that coalition are secularist non-believers.

I'm not a holler back girl.