Donald Trump had to have cheated the election.

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NewTime
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Yesterday, 1:54 pm

There is no way that majority of people who voted did something that stupid and voted for Donald Trump. I don't believe it. Donald Trump cheated.



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Yesterday, 4:41 pm

I believe that, sadly, people really were that stupid and voted for Dump. Because most of them are misogynistic, racist, classist, ableist, and homophobic.



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Yesterday, 5:27 pm

NewTime wrote:
There is no way that majority of people who voted did something that stupid and voted for Donald Trump. I don't believe it. Donald Trump cheated.

Not an absolute majority of the U..S. population as a whole, but a majority of the voters in small rural states did vote for Trump. And, given how the electoral college works, that's what matters.


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Yesterday, 5:32 pm

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I believe that, sadly, people really were that stupid and voted for Dump. Because most of them are misogynistic, racist, classist, ableist, and homophobic.


In 2016 and 2024, a key factor was that Trump's opponents were women (in the case of 2024, a woman of color). And a woman being anything other than secretary or housewife is unacceptable to conservatives.


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Yesterday, 5:38 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
I believe that, sadly, people really were that stupid and voted for Dump. Because most of them are misogynistic, racist, classist, ableist, and homophobic.
Agreed 100%



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Yesterday, 6:05 pm

I wish this were the case but so far no one's presented evidence to make that case, let alone conclusive evidence.


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Yesterday, 7:00 pm

Yeah, but, Musk did say without him, DJT wouldn't have won, so what does this mean??

https://factually.co/fact-checks/politi ... aud-c7ecb9

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The simplest answer: yes — a political committee tied to Elon Musk, America PAC, was formally reprimanded by the Georgia State Election Board for sending pre-filled absentee ballot applications, conduct the board treated as a violation of state election law [1] and that finding has been repeatedly reported as evidence of voter-related wrongdoing tied to Musk’s operation [2] [3]. At the same time, calling this a criminal conviction for “Elon Musk” is imprecise: the public record shows an administrative reprimand and multiple allegations and related lawsuits across states, not a criminal conviction of Musk personally in the sources provided


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1. The Georgia finding: what happened and what the board said

Georgia’s State Election Board investigated reports from multiple counties that residents received absentee ballot request forms that appeared partially completed and traced those mailers to America PAC, ultimately issuing a formal letter of reprimand and concluding the mailers violated state statutes barring third parties from sending pre-completed absentee ballot applications except in narrowly defined situations [5] [1] [2].

2. Why many outlets framed this as “voter fraud” — and why precision matters

Several outlets and commentators labeled the board’s finding as “voter fraud” or “election fraud” by America PAC, reflecting both the legal language Georgia used around prohibited ballot-document practices and the political stakes of mail-in voting [2] [3]. But the distinction between an administrative violation or a civil enforcement action and a criminal conviction is important; the sources describe a state board reprimand and county complaints rather than a final criminal judgment against Musk personally in the materials provided [4] [1].

3. The broader pattern: other legal scrutiny and campaign tactics linked to America PAC

The Georgia action fits into a pattern of scrutiny of America PAC activities: reporting and legal filings in Pennsylvania and elsewhere accused the PAC of pushing questionable voter incentives and data-gathering promotions (for example, a Philadelphia suit over a prize promotion tied to registrations) and federal and state probes have touched on PAC-targeting tactics during the 2024 cycle [2] [6]. Local reporting and national outlets have connected those practices to concerns about whether the PAC clearly labeled materials or followed state-specific absentee-ballot rules [2] [3].

4. Musk’s public posture on “voter fraud” and the irony reporters flagged

Multiple news organizations and analysis pieces pointed out the irony that Musk publicly amplifies claims about rampant mail-in fraud and pushes tighter voting rules while a PAC he funded ran a mail-out seen as violating the rules against pre-filled absentee forms [7] [8]. Fact-checkers also documented Musk and allies amplifying debunked or misleading claims about mail-in balloting, which critics say heightens the stakes when a PAC tied to him faces accusations of improper ballot-related mailings [9] [8].

5. What remains unresolved in the public record provided

The supplied reporting documents the Georgia reprimand and related suits and commentary but does not include a criminal prosecution of Musk himself, a full audit proving votes were fraudulently cast as a result of the mailers, or final judicial findings beyond administrative censure in Georgia; where allegations extend (for example, claims of foreign interference or technical manipulation) the sources note those claims remain unproven or contested and in some cases have prompted calls for further investigation [2] [10] [6]. The available reporting therefore supports saying America PAC committed illegal absentee-application conduct in Georgia according to the State Election Board, but it does not establish that Elon Musk personally was criminally convicted of voter fraud in the material provided



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Yesterday, 7:31 pm

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Yeah, but, Musk did say without him, DJT wouldn't have won, so what does this mean??


It means it's a question worth looking into.

If T.Diddy and his criminal syndicate did steal the election that should be grounds to reverse every single thing he's done since 2024.

Ideally, they'd also put Elon in Ted Kaczynski's old cell.


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Today, 7:06 am

I voted for Trump and I am glad I did.



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Today, 9:21 pm

NewTime wrote:
There is no way that majority of people who voted did something that stupid and voted for Donald Trump. I don't believe it. Donald Trump cheated.
What difference does it make when land votes? The land voted for Trump.

Did he cheat using gerrymandering? Of course he did. He's practically admitted it.


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