Why God stopping the sun in the sky is utterly stupid.

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06 Oct 2012, 10:40 am

This is part 38 of Thunderf00t's "Why do people laugh at creationists?" series. It was just uploaded today. While this one is not rebuke of creationism per se, the person he rebukes this time is creationist who believes the that the story in Bible of God stopping the sun in the sky for Joshua actually happened, though guy believe this happened by stopping the Earth's rotation. Of course one only has to understand the law of conservation of momentum and Newton's first law of motion as well as how much energy is involved in the Earths rotation and orbital velocity to understand why this is totally and utterly ridiculous. Stopping the Earth from rotating would actually be a much better and faster way of killing everything on Earth and their fabled Noah's flood.

Thunderf00t also goes into some detail about into why the genocide God commanded Joshua to do is quite abhorrent, despite that some Christian apologists such as William Lane Craig actually defend it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-hGFMBpbI&feature=plcp[/youtube]



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06 Oct 2012, 10:43 am

The largest energy source in the solar system is the Sun and even the Sun could not exert enough counter torque on Earth to stop it from rotating. The sun's energy is directed orthogonally on Earth therefore it does no work on Earth. the F.d = 0 if F is orthogonal to d.

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06 Oct 2012, 11:02 am

Yeah, but if a god really did this sort of thing, couldn't it have just used magical power to keep everything else on the Earth alive and then when the time is right, allow the planet's rotation to continue and then remove the magical power because it's no longer necessary? An all-powerful god would be able to do that, so when thinking about it like this, it doesn't seem as absurd. The important question is "Did this really happen?" not whether or not it's possible for an all-powerful god to do it.



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06 Oct 2012, 11:07 am

ruveyn wrote:
The largest energy source in the solar system is the Sun and even the Sun could not exert enough counter torque on Earth to stop it from rotating. The sun's energy is directed orthogonally on Earth therefore it does no work on Earth. the F.d = 0 if F is orthogonal to d.

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Or you know, if the whole world stopped, thus night became prolonged certain places, others the day was prolonged and so on, wouldn't this have been verifiable from non-scriptural sources. One would think that some of the more advanced cultures of the time that were quite adept at astronomy would have mentioned "oh btw, the night lasted a lot longer than it normally did" somewhere.



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06 Oct 2012, 11:22 am

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The largest energy source in the solar system is the Sun and even the Sun could not exert enough counter torque on Earth to stop it from rotating. The sun's energy is directed orthogonally on Earth therefore it does no work on Earth. the F.d = 0 if F is orthogonal to d.

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Or you know, if the whole world stopped, thus night became prolonged certain places, others the day was prolonged and so on, wouldn't this have been verifiable from non-scriptural sources. One would think that some of the more advanced cultures of the time that were quite adept at astronomy would have mentioned "oh btw, the night lasted a lot longer than it normally did" somewhere.


Also the worlds oceans would have swept over the land in an east to west direction.

Anyway you look at it the biblical account is bogus.

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06 Oct 2012, 12:16 pm

Jono wrote:
This is part 38 of Thunderf00t's "Why do people laugh at creationists?" series. It was just uploaded today. While this one is not rebuke of creationism per se, the person he rebukes this time is creationist who believes the that the story in Bible of God stopping the sun in the sky for Joshua actually happened, though guy believe this happened by stopping the Earth's rotation. Of course one only has to understand the law of conservation of momentum and Newton's first law of motion as well as how much energy is involved in the Earths rotation and orbital velocity to understand why this is totally and utterly ridiculous. Stopping the Earth from rotating would actually be a much better and faster way of killing everything on Earth and their fabled Noah's flood.

So hypothetically, God stops the Earth's rotation. Why can't that God also suspend Newton's first law of motion and all these other factors?

You can't rebuke a God that has the power to suspend the laws of nature, by pointing to the laws of nature.



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06 Oct 2012, 1:19 pm

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Jono wrote:
This is part 38 of Thunderf00t's "Why do people laugh at creationists?" series. It was just uploaded today. While this one is not rebuke of creationism per se, the person he rebukes this time is creationist who believes the that the story in Bible of God stopping the sun in the sky for Joshua actually happened, though guy believe this happened by stopping the Earth's rotation. Of course one only has to understand the law of conservation of momentum and Newton's first law of motion as well as how much energy is involved in the Earths rotation and orbital velocity to understand why this is totally and utterly ridiculous. Stopping the Earth from rotating would actually be a much better and faster way of killing everything on Earth and their fabled Noah's flood.

So hypothetically, God stops the Earth's rotation. Why can't that God also suspend Newton's first law of motion and all these other factors?

You can't rebuke a God that has the power to suspend the laws of nature, by pointing to the laws of nature.


Hang on, so God stopped the Earth from rotating and suspended the laws of physics? Keep in mind that He supposedly did that to allow Joshua's troops to finish a genocide while in daylight. Given that this God could both stop the Earth from rotating and suspend the laws of physics on top of that, that seems like a totally inefficient way to wipe out whole nations don't you think? If God could suspend the law's of nature, why didn't he just make those nations and all the people in it just vanish into thin air? It would of been more efficient and less bloody.



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06 Oct 2012, 2:02 pm

Its funny some people still dont think gravity exists and say its gods will holding us to the ground. :lol: silly creationists.


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06 Oct 2012, 2:47 pm

Gravity does not exist.

What we think of as gravity is matter warping spacetime and creating a temporal gradient that draws other matter toward the 'slowest' temporal point, which just happens to also be the center of mass.

In other words, it's just a matter of time...


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06 Oct 2012, 5:22 pm

Jono wrote:
Hang on, so God stopped the Earth from rotating and suspended the laws of physics?

Why are you acting like that is somehow two things?

Granted, from a point of view of physics, it would have been impossible, but keep in mind you're arguing with people who think that God made physics, along with the rest of everything. If you assume for the sake of argument that God exists, then by definition God can change the laws of physics on a whim. If you don't assume for the sake of argument that God exists, then you'd really be better off arguing that God doesn't exist.


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06 Oct 2012, 6:06 pm

Okay assuming God created the universe/multiverse (whatever), and God also created the laws of physics (not discovered, CREATED); then it stands to reason that this is possible...

If we look at the cultures of the time period where the incident supposedly took place, their methods of time keeping were generally rudimentary at best.

The cultures that generally had more exact forms of measuring time, such as the Mayans, Aztecs, etc. may have recorded something about this happening. (While many other cultures did look to the sky about things they didn't generally pay as close attention to it as the Mayans and Aztecs, the Israelites at the time however were looking for this to happen so they noticed).

The problem with using the lack of records from the Mayans or Aztecs as evidence however is fairly simple, much of their records were destroyed by gold obsessed Spanish fanatics, so it is extremely plausible that those records were lost.



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06 Oct 2012, 6:57 pm

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Okay assuming God created the universe/multiverse (whatever), and God also created the laws of physics (not discovered, CREATED); then it stands to reason that this is possible...

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Stopping the earth from rotating about its axis without doing catastrophic damage would require cancelling every last law of physics. All of them.

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06 Oct 2012, 6:59 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Okay assuming God created the universe/multiverse (whatever), and God also created the laws of physics (not discovered, CREATED); then it stands to reason that this is possible...

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Stopping the earth from rotating about its axis without doing catastrophic damage would require cancelling every last law of physics. All of them.

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Which God, would be more than capable of doing... He created the laws of physics, that means he's free to ignore them whenever he feels like it.



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06 Oct 2012, 7:04 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Okay assuming God created the universe/multiverse (whatever), and God also created the laws of physics (not discovered, CREATED); then it stands to reason that this is possible...

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Stopping the earth from rotating about its axis without doing catastrophic damage would require cancelling every last law of physics. All of them.

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Which God, would be more than capable of doing... He created the laws of physics, that means he's free to ignore them whenever he feels like it.


I will be kind and just say your explanation of the non-event at Gibeon resembles the ravings of a Christian ignoramus bigot. But resemblances can be deceiving.

The Bible was written by Bronze Age Dudes who believed the earth stood still and everything move around the earth. It was a book just right for technological primitive savages.

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06 Oct 2012, 7:11 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Okay assuming God created the universe/multiverse (whatever), and God also created the laws of physics (not discovered, CREATED); then it stands to reason that this is possible...

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Stopping the earth from rotating about its axis without doing catastrophic damage would require cancelling every last law of physics. All of them.

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Which God, would be more than capable of doing... He created the laws of physics, that means he's free to ignore them whenever he feels like it.


I will be kind and just say your explanation of the non-event at Gibeon resembles the ravings of a Christian ignoramus bigot. But resemblances can be deceiving.

The Bible was written by Bronze Age Dudes who believed the earth stood still and everything move around the earth. It was a book just right for technological primitive savages.

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The problem with what you are suggesting, is that by the time period when this event supposedly happened, the Jewish people already had a written language. You may be able to argue that they misintrepretted some other cosmic event (unlikely considering they didn't see two suns), but saying that the even didn't happen is rather silly because we can assume what happened was written down not long after the event took place.

That's why the Bible has to be given more credibility than Homer's Odessey for instance, because written accounts don't change as radically as stories that are verbally passed down.



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06 Oct 2012, 7:13 pm

Ancalagon wrote:
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Hang on, so God stopped the Earth from rotating and suspended the laws of physics?

Why are you acting like that is somehow two things?

Granted, from a point of view of physics, it would have been impossible, but keep in mind you're arguing with people who think that God made physics, along with the rest of everything. If you assume for the sake of argument that God exists, then by definition God can change the laws of physics on a whim. If you don't assume for the sake of argument that God exists, then you'd really be better off arguing that God doesn't exist.

Thanks for making my point more eloquently than I did. :)