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Do you believe that they're spraying us?
Yes 18%  18%  [ 2 ]
No 73%  73%  [ 8 ]
Don't know 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Don't care 9%  9%  [ 1 ]
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22 Mar 2009, 2:58 am

One of my obsessions are chemtrails. Lately, I have started to take pics and vids of suspicious looking jet activity. What's your point of view? I recorded this yesterday. Maybe this will help you make up your mind :?:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXFELyDgI0o[/youtube]


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22 Mar 2009, 3:16 am

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not this again, mosez are you shaunwilliam in disguise :lol:


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22 Mar 2009, 3:34 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO not this again, mosez are you shaunwilliam in disguise :lol:


Sorry, just have to clarify :D And I'm not shaunwilliam in disguise. You should really try to live up to this;"I'd take the awe of understanding over the awe of ignorance anyday"
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22 Mar 2009, 4:50 am

Ok educate me what evidence do you have.


With regard to the SW quip, you missed out on a very protracted and quite heated debat/flame war on this subject. Sorry I did not mean to belittle you


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22 Mar 2009, 4:53 am

Let's just ignore the fact that it would be a massive waste to disperse any chemical agent so far up in the atmosphere this way if you want to "control the masses", by the time it diffused down to the populace, if at all, you'd probably be down to about one particle per cubic meter. Wow, that stuff sure is potent. Why not have "covert" vehicles slowly releasing these seemingly small amounts required? Hey, no giveaway since you only need a particle per cubic meter, and none wasted from drafting down into the wilderness or diffusing throughout the atmosphere where it's wasted.

Let's also ignore the fact that contrails are a completely normal occurrence. Of course they don't occur all the time, there's such a thing as differing fuel mixtures and varying atmospheric conditions.

But nope, we're just going to ignore all logic and evidence that contradicts our belief and go with whatever crazy-ass theory tickles our fancy....



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22 Mar 2009, 4:59 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
Ok educate me what evidence do you have.


With regard to the SW quip, you missed out on a very protracted and quite heated debat/flame war on this subject. Sorry I did not mean to belittle you


Well, the jet contrails from a plane shall not hang in the air for hours and form clouds and cause weather change. Normal jet contrails are in fact very short, since they dissolve almost instantly. Therefore, what I recorded is not normal.
And, I don't care about former discussions, I want my own. In my oponion this matter can not be discussed often enough.
Besides that, I think my vid was damn good :D


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22 Mar 2009, 5:06 am

You still have not given your explanation to this supposed phenomenon?


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22 Mar 2009, 5:06 am

DNForrest wrote:
Let's just ignore the fact that it would be a massive waste to disperse any chemical agent so far up in the atmosphere this way if you want to "control the masses", by the time it diffused down to the populace, if at all, you'd probably be down to about one particle per cubic meter. Wow, that stuff sure is potent. Why not have "covert" vehicles slowly releasing these seemingly small amounts required? Hey, no giveaway since you only need a particle per cubic meter, and none wasted from drafting down into the wilderness or diffusing throughout the atmosphere where it's wasted.

Let's also ignore the fact that contrails are a completely normal occurrence. Of course they don't occur all the time, there's such a thing as differing fuel mixtures and varying atmospheric conditions.

But nope, we're just going to ignore all logic and evidence that contradicts our belief and go with whatever crazy-ass theory tickles our fancy....


Sorry, but I don't buy all the theories to why.. they are spraying, I just say they do! In my oponion they do it to manipulate the weather.
And, again, normal jet contrails are short, since they dissolve instantly. They do not cover the sky with clouds in matter of minutes and causes sudden weather changes :!:


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22 Mar 2009, 5:11 am

Shame you did not leave your camera going to show the sky being covered in clouds!


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22 Mar 2009, 5:11 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
You still have not given your explanation to this supposed phenomenon?


Well as I said above here, I don't buy all the theories about why they spray, I just say they do. In my oponion the do it to manipulate the weather for various reasons


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22 Mar 2009, 5:11 am

Not all contrails disperse immediately, again, it varies wildly with atmospheric conditions (wind speed, temperature, humidity, etc.)

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding



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22 Mar 2009, 5:23 am

DentArthurDent wrote:
Shame you did not leave your camera going to show the sky being covered in clouds!


Well, I took a heap of pics of that. I seriously doubt anyone would watch a vid lasting a day. The clouds in the horizon is starting to build up(you can see that in the vid), and today it's completely overcast, probably going to rain or snow, real soon.
Besides, I don't think you will be convinced, no matter what evidence anyone can produce


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22 Mar 2009, 5:37 am

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Not all contrails disperse immediately, again, it varies wildly with atmospheric conditions (wind speed, temperature, humidity, etc.)

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding


I also have watched a normal contrail by a jet passing the ones who's spraying. Same atmospheric conditions. You bet I will tape that some day. And for the fuel issue, jet fuel is jet fuel, I seriously doubt that they have different fuel types :D


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22 Mar 2009, 5:43 am

mosez wrote:
DNForrest wrote:
Not all contrails disperse immediately, again, it varies wildly with atmospheric conditions (wind speed, temperature, humidity, etc.)

Also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_seeding


I also have watched a normal contrail by a jet passing the ones who's spraying. Same atmospheric conditions. You bet I will tape that some day. And for the fuel issue, jet fuel is jet fuel, I seriously doubt that they have different fuel types :D


There are different fuel type, there are several additives that can be put in to make the process cleaner/more efficient. Also, the ratios of chemicals put in are never going to be exactly the same between each jet, so the output chemicals can change greatly depending on the input chemicals and the reaction process itself (different engines will put out different chemicals, even with the same input chemicals). You'd be amazed by what a little difference in the intake air or the reactor (engine) temperature/pressure can do (Chemical Reactor Engineering was one of my favorite courses).



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22 Mar 2009, 5:45 am

I forgot to mention that I counted 25-30 jets in the sky in just a couple of hours. That's not normal either. The little spot I see of the sky from my house, will on a saturday normally count 6-8 planes for the whole day


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22 Mar 2009, 5:48 am

mosez wrote:
I forgot to mention that I counted 25-30 jets in the sky in just a couple of hours. That's not normal either. The little spot I see of the sky from my house, will on a saturday normally count 6-8 planes for the whole day


If that's the case, it could very well be cloud seeding, especially with the lack of natural rainfall many areas are now experiencing.