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14 Dec 2010, 9:39 pm

Are you illiterate, Inuyasha? Do you understand what is meant by "on balance?" Obama has signed in a number of tax cuts, and his proposed resolution to the Bush tax cut extension includes several new tax cuts beyond what the Republicans even wanted. The Politifact article you're citing is outdated by now in its references to Obama's plans to let the tax cuts expire. The overwhelming majority of Americans are paying lower tax rates now than they were under Bush.

And in what universe is Politifact a liberal source?

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14 Dec 2010, 10:09 pm

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And in what universe is Politifact a liberal source?

I've come to the conclusion that anything that doesn't say exactly what he believes is liberal, regardless of whether or not it actually is.

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14 Dec 2010, 10:19 pm

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When they aren't paying taxes to begin with, it is no longer a tax cut, it is a government handout.

And in what universe is Politifact a liberal source?[/quote]

Eventually he declares the assertion "absurd" and "irresponsibly misleading on several levels" as the Truth-O-Meter officially pronounces the claim "False."

But is it?

Not at all. As Farley acknowledged, I am the original source for the $8.5 billion figure that was reported by the Washington Examiner. I covered the complexities of housing finance on Capitol Hill for nearly seven years as a reporter in the Washington bureau of the venerable Wall Street daily, the Bond Buyer. Here's how I came up with the amount.

The $800 billion-plus stimulus bill that President Obama signed into law Feb. 17 contains $2 billion in funds for housing redevelopment and $1 billion for Community Development Block Grants (CDBG). Separately, the proposed $47.5 billion fiscal 2010 budget for the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development provides $1 billion for an affordable housing trust fund and $4.5 billion in CDBG funds.

There is no legal impediment of which I am aware that would prevent ACORN taking in the whole $3 billion sum from the stimulus package, which has already been enacted. There is also no bar to ACORN taking in the entire $5.5 billion from the HUD budget, which is pending before Congress.

In other words, ACORN is indeed eligible for the whole $8.5 billion, as Bachmann said.

The congresswoman said much the same thing on the May 18 edition on CNN's Lou Dobbs Tonight. Debating ACORN ally House Financial Services Committee chairman Barney Frank (D-Mass.), Bachmann, a former tax litigation attorney, chose her words carefully.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-va ... e-bachmann

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15 Dec 2010, 11:11 am

Inuyasha wrote:

number5 wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

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StevieC wrote:

so what about a centric-liberal?

They tend to be attacked by the Far-Left, if they work in media they can even lose their jobs for not being pure. See Juan Williams whom is a centric-liberal being fired from NPR for not mindlessing spewing left-wing talking points.

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no, only on the faces of the weak, the poor, the addled.

Uh considering that Conservatives tend to be the ones that give more of their income (percentagewise) to charities, volunteer more of their time, etc. That assessment doesn't fit with the facts. Conservatives take issue with Government taking away their money and giving it to other people. They have no issue with voluntarily choosing to donate their time and money to helping others.

If voluntary charity was enough, we wouldn't have so many families living in poverty. The problem is getting worse, not better. In 2009, 20.7% of all children under the age of 18 were living in poverty. How can any human being find this statistic acceptable? http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases ... 0-144.html

It is a disheartening situation, but I think there is a better solution than taxing small business out of existance like you and the Democrats have suggested.

Such as...?

They could start by getting rid of the Community Reinvestment Act, as well as all the anti-business red tape Obama has shoved into place. Additionally not raising taxes, start cutting spending, etc.

Enough with the baloney about the Community Reinvestment Act. In case you haven't noticed, nobody's even getting a mortgage these days without 20% down and a credit score over 700. Besides, I was talking about rising poverty rates and the reality that there are over 1 million homeless kids in this country. The republican idea to address this problem directly is to end unemployment extensions and entitlement programs and reduce the tax burden on the wealthy. This is completely ass-backwards and will only exacerbate the problem, as it has for the past 30 years or so.

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15 Dec 2010, 11:53 am

Inuyasha wrote:

I do volunteer work for Recording for the Blind and Dyslexic (New Jersey Branch). Among the thirty or so volunteer readers, checkers and markers who work here I have yet to see or hear a flaming liberal. Most of the people who do volunteer work for RFDBH seem to be Just Plain Folk who want to do something useful with their time. I would characterize the group as politically moderate.

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24 Dec 2010, 6:16 pm

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You're welcome for my pure partisanship. After 8 years of having to hear it about Bush from the democrats, it is the "Democratic" Party who have earned their due measure of blind condemnation and ridicule.

It's pretty ironic for someone who has lived through the travesty of entry-level Anglo-American labour relations to be this oblivious to the ideological cause.

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Anyhow, yes it would be better if the stimulus packages weren't given to well established businesses only to be put into the office redecoration account. If a government is going to attempt such a stupid notion as the redistribution of wealth, they ought to at least provide it to people starting up new businesses and not just playing musical money amongst those already wealthy.

The problem is that many small businesses have very poorly designed business plans and end up failing. Small businesses create about as many jobs as they shed.

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24 Dec 2010, 10:22 pm

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I am fine with liberal viewpoints being stated in a free society. Conservatives have every right to respond though without being unfettered by PC or worrying about being spuriously labled a bigot or something.

Liberals seem to have a problem with free speech coming from Conservatives, especially when it comes to the spectrum of social issues. I would like to see Conservatives be able to state their positions clearly and definitely without worrying about PC infractions, being decried as offensive, labled racist, sexist, or getting banned from an internet forum, etc..........

I would also like to see more conservative representation in higher education, in fields like History, Philosophy, sociology, etc. I'd like to reopen the study of Eugenics as well. I would also like to return the West to the pre-1948 demographics(roughly) + a severe clampdown on 3rd world immigration. I'd like to end any and all reverse discrimination against whites and white males, and return to Caucasian predominance.

Can you give examples of comments you would like to be able to make without being decried as offensive, labeled racist, sexist, or getting banned from internet forums..etc?

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24 Dec 2010, 10:43 pm

Only classical liberals threaten to destroy the world.

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24 Dec 2010, 10:48 pm

An effective stimulus package should never give a penny to any business. It must be nothing but such things as the following; government-run projects - some components of which may require a competitive bid process for contracts. Also, direct payments to high-MPC people. This helps with demand in the economy and more customers for business. Giving money to business is a terrible idea. Better to allow business to compete for customers better able to be customers because they either have work on a project or have more money in their pocket from the government.

Aside from stimulus, government must use the tax code to dissuade destructive behaviour that the rich do. So taxes should punish outsourcing and so forth. The rich must be made to behave!

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25 Dec 2010, 1:39 am

so it's "percolate up" versus "trickle down" - it seems to me that the latter choice has been played out with poor results [for everybody below the exalted heights] so far, so maybe it is time to give the former choice a chance.

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25 Dec 2010, 8:47 am

auntblabby wrote:

And just what do the children of a lesser god have to offer the rest of us?

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