Do you think marijuana should be legalised?

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03 Apr 2012, 5:28 pm

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The Only reason marijuana is still illegal is because it's an excuse to put people in jail and make money for the Judicial branch of the US gubbermint.


Exactly.


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03 Apr 2012, 5:41 pm

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03 Apr 2012, 5:44 pm

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So what happens to a persons mind when they fast for 40 days? Do they hallucinate?


Depending on the person they are either dead or incredibly near dead.

Now, without water, after about 2 days you will be useless to do anything but moan or possibly stumble. After 3 or 4, you're dead.


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03 Apr 2012, 5:49 pm

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If you smoke pot with the agenda to have a good time all the time no matter what, then it'll be easier to move on to harder drugs as the law of diminishing returns sets in.

I know a couple who are drug free who have a huge appetite for simple pleasures and limited tolerance for anything unpleasant. They live off govt assistance and play videogames all day, theyve put on a lot of weight since I first met them, have horrible hygiene, and people don't want to be around them, plus their house is a real sh*t hole.

People with a hedonistic mindset are a liability no matter what you give or take from them.


If I was living off govt assistance, I would still keep my house clean......I love to turn on music and clean, I also can only stand my own filth for so long so I'd still shower at least once a week and go outside. There is no way in hell I could sit there and play video games all day every day, I'd get so bored.

Also how do you suggest people use weed with the agenda to have a bad time? wouldn't make much sense........also if marijuana is a 'gateway' drug so is alcohol and nicotine. Drinking with the agenda to have a good time might make one more open to illegal substances.


I'm just saying that over dependence on simple pleasures is going to ruin your life no matter what you do or don't smoke. If I had an example of someone being overly reliant on pot, I'd have more to say about it. As it is, I see a lot of people waste the best years of their lives on videogames.

I guess I could've worded it a little better, but what I'm trying to say is that placing immediate happiness ahead of long term well being day in and day out will lead to bad things whether or not pot is involved.



03 Apr 2012, 5:55 pm

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I'm just saying that over dependence on simple pleasures is going to ruin your life no matter what you do or don't smoke. If I had an example of someone being overly reliant on pot, I'd have more to say about it. As it is, I see a lot of people waste the best years of their lives on videogames.

I guess I could've worded it a little better, but what I'm trying to say is that placing immediate happiness ahead of long term well being day in and day out will lead to bad things whether or not pot is involved.



You have a valid point MMD123; but over-dependence on pleasuring oneself is a self-discipline problem. People who stay in bed all day and play videogames should be rewarded with eviction and unemployment. It's really a question of people in our society who reward bad behavior. The government is not the solution to peoples struggles with vices.



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03 Apr 2012, 6:07 pm

History will show you that Marajuiana has been used as medicine it cures pain and helps people with others illness as well kinda shocked that people do not want it to be used as medicine but on any native american reservation you are allowed to smoke it.



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03 Apr 2012, 6:11 pm

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If you smoke pot with the agenda to have a good time all the time no matter what, then it'll be easier to move on to harder drugs as the law of diminishing returns sets in.

I know a couple who are drug free who have a huge appetite for simple pleasures and limited tolerance for anything unpleasant. They live off govt assistance and play videogames all day, theyve put on a lot of weight since I first met them, have horrible hygiene, and people don't want to be around them, plus their house is a real sh*t hole.

People with a hedonistic mindset are a liability no matter what you give or take from them.


If I was living off govt assistance, I would still keep my house clean......I love to turn on music and clean, I also can only stand my own filth for so long so I'd still shower at least once a week and go outside. There is no way in hell I could sit there and play video games all day every day, I'd get so bored.

Also how do you suggest people use weed with the agenda to have a bad time? wouldn't make much sense........also if marijuana is a 'gateway' drug so is alcohol and nicotine. Drinking with the agenda to have a good time might make one more open to illegal substances.


I'm just saying that over dependence on simple pleasures is going to ruin your life no matter what you do or don't smoke. If I had an example of someone being overly reliant on pot, I'd have more to say about it. As it is, I see a lot of people waste the best years of their lives on videogames.

Yes moderation is key, I know this........but yeah for me things like cleaning are simple pleasures, I mean you can't beat listening to loud music and cleaning. Maybe people should adjust their pleasures, make things that suck pleasurable that is what I try and do and it works out. But yeah people can certainly get sucked into things and use them excessively whether it's drugs or video games.

I guess I could've worded it a little better, but what I'm trying to say is that placing immediate happiness ahead of long term well being day in and day out will lead to bad things whether or not pot is involved.


yeah I suppose so......but one cannot constantly focus on what could be, sometimes you do have to just enjoy the moment.


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03 Apr 2012, 6:15 pm

How silly our government is for making what grows on the plaent we call earth illgeal like they really care that people getting high if it was legal and they could tax it America would be the worlds largests economy but they do not want to do this because of conservativies mostly also pot is called a the herb of all nations for a reason.



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03 Apr 2012, 6:19 pm

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How silly our government is for making what grows on the plaent we call earth illgeal like they really care that people getting high if it was legal and they could tax it America would be the worlds largests economy but they do not want to do this because of conservativies mostly also pot is called a the herb of all nations for a reason.


In a study by someone at harvard if pot was legal and taxed it would generate 20 billion. That is a good amount but not as big of a deal as it seems like you are saying


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03 Apr 2012, 6:24 pm

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Joker wrote:
How silly our government is for making what grows on the plaent we call earth illgeal like they really care that people getting high if it was legal and they could tax it America would be the worlds largests economy but they do not want to do this because of conservativies mostly also pot is called a the herb of all nations for a reason.


In a study by someone at harvard if pot was legal and taxed it would generate 20 billion. That is a good amount but not as big of a deal as it seems like you are saying


You can make a lot of things out of hemp so its more then just smoking it hemp products would sell cheap and the economy would benefit from hemp products.



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03 Apr 2012, 9:59 pm

MDD123 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
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If you smoke pot with the agenda to have a good time all the time no matter what, then it'll be easier to move on to harder drugs as the law of diminishing returns sets in.

I know a couple who are drug free who have a huge appetite for simple pleasures and limited tolerance for anything unpleasant. They live off govt assistance and play videogames all day, theyve put on a lot of weight since I first met them, have horrible hygiene, and people don't want to be around them, plus their house is a real sh*t hole.

People with a hedonistic mindset are a liability no matter what you give or take from them.


If I was living off govt assistance, I would still keep my house clean......I love to turn on music and clean, I also can only stand my own filth for so long so I'd still shower at least once a week and go outside. There is no way in hell I could sit there and play video games all day every day, I'd get so bored.

Also how do you suggest people use weed with the agenda to have a bad time? wouldn't make much sense........also if marijuana is a 'gateway' drug so is alcohol and nicotine. Drinking with the agenda to have a good time might make one more open to illegal substances.


I'm just saying that over dependence on simple pleasures is going to ruin your life no matter what you do or don't smoke. If I had an example of someone being overly reliant on pot, I'd have more to say about it. As it is, I see a lot of people waste the best years of their lives on videogames.

I guess I could've worded it a little better, but what I'm trying to say is that placing immediate happiness ahead of long term well being day in and day out will lead to bad things whether or not pot is involved.


That makes sense, but yeah too much of anything is a bad thing, but I get what your saying and can't say I disagree.


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04 Apr 2012, 12:34 am

I think it should be legalized but regulated. Like you cannot drive it while smoking it etc also taxing it and putting the tax to helping out schools etc. It would also greatly lower crime and put a crippling blow on drug cartels as well thus reducing illegal immigration. Marijuana does less harm than alcohol. Unfortunately the supreme court is against it because it is still ran by old tired ultra conservatives.


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04 Apr 2012, 12:36 am

It should be legal because it grows from the earth and is a natural drug.



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04 Apr 2012, 3:42 am

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Who's to say they would put the price up? And maybe you would take extra care to ensure the highest quality cannabis, but not everyone would. I really don't think most dealers give a crap about quality really, just money, and they can charge whatever they want as it's all freelance.


They would be handed a legal monopoly on the substance, allowing them to decide the price. As is it is not a very expensive product (depending on where you are) and pharmaceutical companies do not like products that do not make them a lot of money. Besides that a recreational substance should not be controlled by them. The market for openly selling cannabis would be much larger and more accessible. To sell tainted products would be to commit commercial suicide. Legal suicide as well since there would be regulations for anyone who wants to sell it. There could easily be large cannabis companies akin to Budweiser or Heineken that have standards of quality as brand name corporations. Here in Quebec we have a very open cannabis culture and quality is indeed important otherwise customers just move on. It is heavily freelance already... but despite this most vendors sell at equal prices and have similar bulk deals depending on the quality or product. I once heard a joke that cannabis trade is the "last vestige of free enterprise left in America".

I think the ideal situation would be as follows:
-Government run cannabis shops akin to liquor commissions
-All laws applicable to alcohol and tobacco now applicable to marijuana
-Individuals may grow maximum three plants for personal use with a license
-Individuals may grow maximum twenty plants for limited distribution with a license, background check and regular inspections (like a microbrewery, essentially)
-All refined THC products may only be sold in government "cannabis commissions" (this means hashish, qif, extract, pills, foods)


Hmmmm, good point. Could very well work that way.


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04 Apr 2012, 3:43 am

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I'd never smoke the stuff, but I wouldn't say no to a pot cake or something, just as a one off to see what it's like.

the effect you get from eating pot is stronger than the effect of smoking.


Yeah I've heard that before.


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04 Apr 2012, 3:48 am

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You're pretty much going round in circles now. I've made my point, shared my views and I'm not going to waste any more of my time on this thread.


Alright I posted my opinion and you aggressively shot it down, can't blame me for standing my ground in a rather defensive manner especially if you tell me my opinion is 'paranoid' and 'delusional' even though I've only based it on facts. But good for you there are pleanty of other threads anyways.


You wrote "NO NO NO!" as the first 3 words to my suggestion.... And you think I'm the aggressive one?? :roll:


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