Well screw the middle class.

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There are people with loaded guns who will gladly refute your nonsensical statement that nothing belongs to anyone.

Well if that is true, why are you wearing the underwear you have on. It does NOT belong to you.

Sir, you have the same mentality as a pre-civilized savage. You do not recognize the distinction between what is yours and what is not. In fact you have asserted the logical equivalent that everything is yours. I could say the same. Let's have a fight to decide whose it really is.

Civilization is possible only when the distinction between mine and not mine is clearly made.

ruveyn

I believe personal property is a justifiable form of theft because it improves our lifes. I don't think anything is truly mine, but I believe personal property is a justifiable construct.

The problem is that real estate is excluded, yet other forms of property would be included. So, if I had a trailer that I elected to park on a piece of real estate, I am monopolizing its use, thus preventing anyone else from using it with a piece of personal property, I'd also be inclined to fire a few barrels at anyone who tried to move it without my permission, so for all intents and purposes the land is mine.

Depends on the form of anarchism. In some types anyone would be allowed to sleep in the trailer or home. There is other kinds where you only own the house or trailer if you use it, and if it is vacant for a certain amount of time, a different person can obtain it.

Sounds like a great way to cause rape and murder. "Hi, I'm Henry Lee, me and my buddy Otis are gonna crash in this here trailer with ya'll."




Sounds like the kind of world where it would really be worth investing time and effort into something.

It would, if you value the time and effort that went into building your house you would use it.

My goodness, do I dare follow this conversation to the point where I left..hmm decisions, decisions.

All property owned by an individual and under his supervision and control is personal property.

Absentee landlord type ownership where the supervision and control is done by a hired third party is a different matter.

There is a difference between operative ownership and absentee rent collecting.

ruveyn

When Hitler was elected, it was a social contract. When he established a dictatorship, there wasn't a social contract anymore.

By men with guns would you be referring to the police? Anyways there are two options if you don't like a law either move somewhere with different laws or try to change that law. Or wait maybe there are two more options break the law and be aware that its possible there will be consequences or just suck it up. I mean its not like you're going to get the noose for not paying your taxes I mean sure this country is moving in the direction of fascism but its not quite there. Though in fascism I don't know if they have taxes I'll have to refresh my memory on the specifics at some point. If I remember right though it is more likely they would just get rid of anyone who would potentially be helped by say tax funded welfare....and instead of paying taxes you just have to be nationalistic and know that if you fail to be you risk execution. But I suppose I don't know if fascism will be created here or not.

The main issue I see here though is while the uber wealthy are 'above that' and aren't typically penalized for not paying taxes...its the middle class and below that get the short end of the stick. So yes there are flaws however if humans truly are mostly just selfish self serving pigs how else do you propose we pay for things tax funds other then having laws that citizens pay taxes?

I mean if no one pays taxes than what do you think will happen? well we might be closer to pure capitalism but I can see how that could cause some problems. Anyways there are a number of things doing or not doing that will bring 'men with guns' to your door why is it any different when it comes to taxes. I mean it would be great to have no government, no cops to come and arrest you if you don't follow the laws but since that's not how it is what is a better alternative to taxation since we have such a system?

His alternative is a fantasy land where everything is conducted voluntarily without that big mean government coercion. You know, like that utopia we hear about in Somalia.

Leave, try and change it petition, protest maybe get into politics, deal with it, complain about it ect. Point is there are a lot of actions one can take if they are unhappy with the government, society ect. But I suppose for the people who think taxation is an evil force they'd be disappointed since most nations comparable to the U.S as far as living standard also have taxation. So i guess then they'd have to eradicate taxation but just claiming its wrong isn't going to work....thus far no ones answered what would be a better way than taxation or even their thoughts on an alternative just how evil and thieving like taxation is.

I hope this is not an attempt at justifying our rather grim history,....and how does any of that bring up that question? If property was collectively owned how does that indicate one would have to ask a random person permission to wear underwear that doesn't make any sense

Hmm well I can't say I would disapprove of no government, but the only way I can see that happening is communism, but real communism only issue is can people pull their heads out of their ass or not. And since currently it seems the answer is no there is no way for such a utopia to come into existence except on a small scale like communes.

And Somalia a Utopia...ha ha doubtful.

For someone oh so civilized you seem pretty 'savage' yourself.

It appears you aren't even talking about if someone goes and tries to steal someones private property in this society, but rather simply being of the opinion nothing should belong to anyone..... warrants needing to get out the loaded guns to refute that opinion? And you're the civil one

education reform with a heavy emphasis on STEM, short & long term tax reform, deregulation and doing away with 25% of the laws on the books, relaxing land-use and urban growth boundaries, and a renewed shift towards export-lead sustainable growth with an emphasis on high skill labor and the vocational training necessary to provide those workers, and tort reform. Pair that with tackling healthcare from the angle of costs to increase coverage instead of Obama's current approach of increasing coverage to bring down costs, and making energy cheap again.

Obama has touched on half of those and is supportive of a few of those measures. Romney is more friendly to all of the above mentioned, but it doesn't mean he will necessarily tackle all of those issues. It is a mess, and add to it that we still need heavy infrastructure and entitlement reforms, and rethinking our global military commitments.