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07 Sep 2018, 9:01 pm

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Seeing as Marxist communism requires the abolition of the state, the USSR really isn't a good example at all.

I believe Autistics would actually do quite well in a Syndicalist economy. (Such as the CNT-FAI's revolution during the Spanish Civil War.)
The abolition of private property, automation of labour, and availability of resources would mean that Autistics would be able to pursue their special interests without the setback of the socially manipulative nature of capitalism. Instead of being told by an owner what to do, you would participate in union meetings to determine what is to be done at your place of work. And using labour notes instead of debt notes means that people who are self-employed will have a much easier time sustaining themselves.

I'm a pretty hardcore Anarcho-Syndicalist.


How would the abolition of private property benefit Autistic people? Isn't that where there house is on?



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07 Sep 2018, 10:50 pm

RushKing wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
idratherbeatree wrote:
Seeing as Marxist communism requires the abolition of the state, the USSR really isn't a good example at all.

I believe Autistics would actually do quite well in a Syndicalist economy. (Such as the CNT-FAI's revolution during the Spanish Civil War.)
The abolition of private property, automation of labour, and availability of resources would mean that Autistics would be able to pursue their special interests without the setback of the socially manipulative nature of capitalism. Instead of being told by an owner what to do, you would participate in union meetings to determine what is to be done at your place of work. And using labour notes instead of debt notes means that people who are self-employed will have a much easier time sustaining themselves.

I'm a pretty hardcore Anarcho-Syndicalist.


How would the abolition of private property benefit Autistic people? Isn't that where there house is on?


Whats wrong with that? Private property adds competition and it makes the job market more competitive that we Autistics have more job opportunity rather than getting a job handed to you by the government and having next to no competition and opportunity. Do you think you would have the computer or smartphone that you are currenty using right now without competition.



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07 Sep 2018, 11:38 pm

It would never get off the ground. Aspies would be haggling over what 'real communism' is, about the time some non-aspies would show up and break eggs to make their omelette.


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08 Sep 2018, 11:10 am

Which one do you think will survive longer an Autistic Communist Empire or an Autistic Fascist Empire?



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08 Sep 2018, 11:20 am

Dylanperr wrote:
RushKing wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
How would the abolition of private property benefit Autistic people? Isn't that where there house is on?


Whats wrong with that?

Private property adds competition and it makes the job market more competitive that we Autistics have more job opportunity rather than getting a job handed to you by the government and having next to no competition and opportunity.



Competitive job markets don't tend to favour people with disabilities.

According the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 20.8% of people over 16 with a disability have a job.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t06.htm

I'm not in favour of state ownership of the means of production by the way. I'm in favour of worker or community control. If you want to debate state ownership, talk to a marxist-lenninist.

Private and state ownership are terrible, because it means we lose autonomy over our own labour.

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Do you think you would have the computer or smartphone that you are currenty using right now without competition.


Collaboration made my computer and smartphone. These inventions are built off of knowledge accumulated from generations of people.

We are charged for these products even though we already invested in all of the technology with our tax dollars.

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09 Sep 2018, 9:37 pm

Yeah but the iPhone is a capitalist nightmare. Tim Cook's walled garden of marketing and planned obsolescence. There's no need for Apple to out-innovate Samsung when they're making sales motivated by conspicuous consumption.

Then again the only communist country wherein people can afford smartphones is communist in name only (China).

So while capitalism produces crappy smartphones like the iPhone communism produces no smartphones at all. They both sound pretty flawed.


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05 Mar 2019, 12:48 am

Hi. Remember Communism is the worst for autistics. Communism the new way of death.



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05 Mar 2019, 3:05 am

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Hi. Remember Communism is the worst for autistics. Communism the new way of death.

Bozhe moy! That's counter-revolutionary talk comrade. Don't you want to join the conformity club? We have party gin! :drunken:


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05 Mar 2019, 4:20 am

Asking if an autistic communist nation would last longer than an NT communist nation is like asking "could a bigfoot riding on a unicorn win the Triple Crown?"

you're combining two unlikely things: a renewed attempt at imposing Communism any place in the post 1989 world, and autistics being allowed to have their own nation.

I think we can all agree that the question itself is rather meaningless.



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25 Mar 2019, 2:36 pm

RushKing wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
RushKing wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
How would the abolition of private property benefit Autistic people? Isn't that where there house is on?


Whats wrong with that?

Private property adds competition and it makes the job market more competitive that we Autistics have more job opportunity rather than getting a job handed to you by the government and having next to no competition and opportunity.



Competitive job markets don't tend to favour people with disabilities.

According the Bureau of Labor Statistics, only 20.8% of people over 16 with a disability have a job.
https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t06.htm

I'm not in favour of state ownership of the means of production by the way. I'm in favour of worker or community control. If you want to debate state ownership, talk to a marxist-lenninist.

Private and state ownership are terrible, because it means we lose autonomy over our own labour.

Dylanperr wrote:
Do you think you would have the computer or smartphone that you are currenty using right now without competition.


Collaboration made my computer and smartphone. These inventions are built off of knowledge accumulated from generations of people.

We are charged for these products even though we already invested in all of the technology with our tax dollars.

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But monopolies would favour them even less. If you think rationally would you rather support the company that gives disabled people a chance to work or the one that doesn't give disabled people a chance. I would rather support the company that gives disabled people a chance. Competition is good and beneficial for all parts of society.



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25 Mar 2019, 2:47 pm

The Soviet Union lasted just a week or two short of 69 years.

There is no known record of any autistic communist nation ever at all.

So, "No".



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25 Mar 2019, 4:06 pm

Dylanperr wrote:
But monopolies would favour them even less. If you think rationally would you rather support the company that gives disabled people a chance to work or the one that doesn't give disabled people a chance.

Noble but impractical.

People don't have the time to research this every time they purchase a product. Production chains are very long and complex, they involve an endless lists of businesses. Most consumers don't have disabilities, and non-disabled people have more purchasing power.



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25 Mar 2019, 4:22 pm

RushKing wrote:
Dylanperr wrote:
But monopolies would favor them even less. If you think rationally would you rather support the company that gives disabled people a chance to work or the one that doesn't give disabled people a chance.
Noble but impractical. People don't have the time to research this every time they purchase a product. Production chains are very long and complex, they involve an endless lists of businesses. Most consumers don't have disabilities, and non-disabled people have more purchasing power.
In addition, companies change vendors often, usually when the contract with the old vendor runs out. So you might be able to purchase an item one week, knowing that they have contracted at least one vendor that hires the handicapped. The next week, the company may have changed to another vendor that has no handicapped people on their staff. Also, the "token" handicapped person may quit just after the company had been certified "Handicapped Friendly", and you would never know it.



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25 Mar 2019, 4:27 pm

The Soviet Union was communist in theory----but, in actuality, it was an oligarchy whose propaganda expounded upon communist principles. A "dictatorship of the proletariat" as window dressing.

It's probably more accurate to say that the Soviet Union was "communist" for the masses---but very capitalist for the "elite."

This suited the ruling elite very well---trust me.



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25 Mar 2019, 4:30 pm

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... the Soviet Union was "communist" for the masses -- but very capitalist for the "elite."
Aren't all Communist/Socialist regimes that way?

"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." -- George Orwell, in Animal Farm



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25 Mar 2019, 4:38 pm

In practice, they most certainly are.

What a bunch of con artists! That's what I think of any government that professes "Marxism," "communism," "socialism," "Maoism," etc.