Why are poeple on this site so obessed with feminists?

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14 Dec 2014, 9:07 pm

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If anything our culture slightly favours women over men. Individuals are skewed one way or the other, but that will always be the case.

Which is why the positions of highest power, pay, and influence are almost all held by women.
Oh, wait...
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Note the way you readily switch between 'feminism' and 'woman'. Feminists claim to be in favour of equality, but the words and actions of the majority consistently demonstrate otherwise.

Do tell. What words and actions of 'the majority of feminists' demonstrate that they aren't in favor of equality?
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A woman with high self esteem and intelligence =/= feminist.

ad-hominem. That's about on the level of 'women of quality aren't interested in the vote.'

wrt. penis size, women in general don't seem to be as interested in relative size as men are. At least, I don't think I hear women talking about it as much as I hear men talking about it.



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14 Dec 2014, 9:55 pm

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Which is why the positions of highest power, pay, and influence are almost all held by women.
Oh, wait...


What percentage of men hold those positions?

What percentage of murder victims are men? Suicides? Homeless? Unemployed?

How about the increase in men dropping out of high school, or the fact that only 38% of US university students are men?

How about the fact that men receive, on average, 40% longer sentences for committing the same crimes as women?

And so on and so forth.

Society is far more than those at the very top (and the very bottom too, of course), yet it suits the feminist narrative to ignore the suffering of men, lumping us all in with the 'haves' when the majority of us are 'have-nots', 'have-littles' or 'have-just-about-enoughs'.

It's not beneficial to complain about how good or bad one gender has it in our society, we should deal with every case on its individual merits, irrespective of gender.

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Note the way you readily switch between 'feminism' and 'woman'. Feminists claim to be in favour of equality, but the words and actions of the majority consistently demonstrate otherwise.

Do tell. What words and actions of 'the majority of feminists' demonstrate that they aren't in favor of equality?


Because the example I quoted is what, uncommon? It's near ubiquitous in my experience. Let's be honest, whatever examples I did provide would be dismissed as not being "real feminists". I will, however, refer you to the very first quote in this post, as well as my response, and ask you to consider whether or not the plight of both men and women is equally important to you.

When it becomes common to encounter feminists who pursue empowerment of women without disregarding or omitting the issues faced by men, I might be willing to believe that feminism is about equality. Likewise, I'd be more accepting of feminism as a concept if I could find anything but a minority that approach inequality from an individual perspective rather than focusing on one gender as a collective.

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A woman with high self esteem and intelligence =/= feminist.

ad-hominem. That's about on the level of 'women of quality aren't interested in the vote.'


Only if you misunderstand what I wrote, which you seem to have. Unless you're actually saying that all feminists are women with high self-esteem and intelligence?



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15 Dec 2014, 11:03 am

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It's not beneficial to complain about how good or bad one gender has it in our society, we should deal with every case on its individual merits, irrespective of gender.


*applause*


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15 Dec 2014, 12:26 pm

On the thinking of men and women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=p ... XjUFYxSxDk

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15 Dec 2014, 12:44 pm

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It's not beneficial to complain about how good or bad one gender has it in our society, we should deal with every case on its individual merits, irrespective of gender.


Hahaha, like that will ever happen. Society never operates on an individual basis on any subject or issue.

That's nothing by empty idealism... the morality of slaves.


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15 Dec 2014, 3:03 pm

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It's a matter of language... because ale and female are seen as opposites...


Well that's the problem right there.

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15 Dec 2014, 6:16 pm

Toy_Soldier wrote:
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It's a matter of language... because ale and female are seen as opposites...


Well that's the problem right there.

:lol:


Yin and Yang compliment each other. They do not stand in opposition to each other.

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15 Dec 2014, 11:48 pm

Otaku, do you honestly believe every damn thing you read or see on the internet? Rational people do not think things like the people in those images. I'm an equalist myself, leaning towards a feminist (mostly because women have been oppressed since the dawn of time the majority of the time).

The reason why feminism is more major topic nowadays is because of this "men's rights" crap that is going on. If these people following that stupid "movement" would only realize that women want to be treated equally (respected at the same level, have the same salary as everyone else, etc) and not have special treatment. We're all human, no matter what our gender is.



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16 Dec 2014, 12:15 am

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Otaku, do you honestly believe every damn thing you read or see on the internet? Rational people do not think things like the people in those images. I'm an equalist myself, leaning towards a feminist (mostly because women have been oppressed since the dawn of time the majority of the time).

The reason why feminism is more major topic nowadays is because of this "men's rights" crap that is going on. If these people following that stupid "movement" would only realize that women want to be treated equally (respected at the same level, have the same salary as everyone else, etc) and not have special treatment. We're all human, no matter what our gender is.
Yet they exlclude male rape victims from participating in rape awareness and dismiss all men who are rape victims as liars and full of s**t!You try spending a few years in my shoes buddy being raped by both women and men alike and running for help only to be laughed at because your a man "ohhh a man cannot be a victim of anything after all all men are oppressors and rapists!" Regardless of men being oppressed as well but thats overlooked men are all monsters and subhuman! WTF is the equality in that? Lets not forget being stuck with an abusive gf as well who chased you with a god damn kitchen knife and beat you and blackmailed you if you did not have sex with her with threats of false claims of beating her then being stuck with PTSD with years to come yeah its all a damn joke if your a man stuck with the same garbage female victims face every day! You have no idea no idea at all welcome to reality and the jacked up double standards!


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16 Dec 2014, 12:19 am

Otaku, listen to me, the rational (I'm bolding it so you can read it) people do not believe that crap. Anyone can be raped, male or female. If they are excluding them from spreading awareness because of their gender, they are radicals and not to be taken seriously. They are the vocal minority. Real feminists do not see one gender better than the other, they see both genders as equal and thus would be like to treated equally.

You seriously need to stop believing some of this stupid s**t on the internet that is out there.



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16 Dec 2014, 12:25 am

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Otaku, listen to me, the rational (I'm bolding it so you can read it) people do not believe that crap. Anyone can be raped, male or female. If they are excluding them from spreading awareness because of their gender, they are radicals and not to be taken seriously. They are the vocal minority. Real feminists do not see one gender better than the other, they see both genders as equal and thus would be like to treated equally.

You seriously need to stop believing some of this stupid s**t on the internet that is out there.
Well maybe I spent too much time wasting my efforts with radicals then! But reality is reality the world is a cruel and unforgiving effing place trust nobody male or female they are all god damn monsters!! Equalitywise I can say you may dissagree but both men and women are equally capable of being heartless monsters out to destroy you, they seek out any weakness and gain your trust and view you as gullible and that's when they prey on you its never one god damn way it goes both ways god dammit and if god is real he doesn't give a rats ass he is a POS as well I never believed in him either hes also a backstabber if he does exist as well! Sorry if im coming off as offensive but I am angry, afraid, and have been screwed over time and time again I may also be coming off as a god damn dramaqueen but life is hell it always will be and Im simply venting and throwing it out there! Its best just avoiding everyone to avoid being screwed over any further and allow dog to eat dog while you live safely on your own! I may be alone and get lonely but Im free and safe never ever again do I think I can trust anybody..ever they are all wolves in sheeps clothing every god damn one of them!! !! ! :evil:


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16 Dec 2014, 8:44 am

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How? Your position seems to be that anyone who has a problem with feminism is bitter over their lack of success with women, so how does my pointing out my multiple long term healthy relationships with women that happen to coexist with an antipathy towards feminism in any way support your theory?



Those relationships have ended, yes? And are you currently in a happy relationship with a woman?



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16 Dec 2014, 9:23 am

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Hahaha, like that will ever happen.


What are you suggesting will never happen?

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Society never operates on an individual basis on any subject or issue.


Hence my rejection of claims that feminists pursue equality. They're just one of many special interests groups that advocate for their chosen team. There are some individual feminists whose views are well-reasoned, balanced and logical. As a collective, though, the reverse is true.

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That's nothing by empty idealism... the morality of slaves.


You raised the subject of societal morality, I'm interested only in personal morality. If this was intended as an argument against my post, you've misfired spectacularly. As for what constitutes 'the morality of slaves', I suggest you pick up any religious text and start reading. Likewise, I invite you to consider viewers of jingoistic news stations and pretty much anyone who pledges allegiance to a piece of fabric before they're old enough to understand what it represents.



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16 Dec 2014, 9:35 am

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Those relationships have ended, yes? And are you currently in a happy relationship with a woman?


I'm still waiting to hear from you regarding what you believe happens to women whose relationships break down. Do they become feminists? Nuns? Anti-MRA's?



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16 Dec 2014, 11:21 am

I am a man and a feminist.

Any man who does not call himself a feminist is not a man who seeks justice and an end to discrimination against women without just cause.

A moral and just man will label himself a feminist and do what he can to move the world to equality for all.

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