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08 Aug 2016, 1:58 pm

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And I agree.

But religious laws will AND ARE being written. The result will be misery for many and further destruction of what's left of our Democracy.


True and they are unconstitutional...however I don't think anything is getting immediately passed as of now.

Though I know the religious right is working to ban abortion, some groups even go as far as wanting to ban the morning after pill and contraception methods themselves. Then of course plenty are quite irate that gay marriage is more legally accepted, because somehow it infringes on their rights to have traditional marriage between a male and female :roll: seems to be the best argument they can string together aside from it going against their religion.

That it is why it is definitely good to vote against such laws and politicians who support them, but yes it does certainly concern me when I see candidates who support religious law and such gaining momentum because the last thing we need is the religious right having more power.


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08 Aug 2016, 2:35 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
ZenDen wrote:

And I agree.

But religious laws will AND ARE being written. The result will be misery for many and further destruction of what's left of our Democracy.


True and they are unconstitutional...however I don't think anything is getting immediately passed as of now.

Though I know the religious right is working to ban abortion, some groups even go as far as wanting to ban the morning after pill and contraception methods themselves. Then of course plenty are quite irate that gay marriage is more legally accepted, because somehow it infringes on their rights to have traditional marriage between a male and female :roll: seems to be the best argument they can string together aside from it going against their religion.

That it is why it is definitely good to vote against such laws and politicians who support them, but yes it does certainly concern me when I see candidates who support religious law and such gaining momentum because the last thing we need is the religious right having more power.


One such fanatical zealot is Judge Roy Moore with his ten commandments displayed at the Alabama courthouse. There must be thousands, if not millions, of such lunatics in this country, even as I write this.


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08 Aug 2016, 6:51 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

One such fanatical zealot is Judge Roy Moore with his ten commandments displayed at the Alabama courthouse. There must be thousands, if not millions, of such lunatics in this country, even as I write this.


If Judge Roy has presented them as Ten Suggestions for health and happiness no one would have objected.

It is not yet a crime in the U.S. to be a religious enthusiast....


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08 Aug 2016, 7:48 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:

One such fanatical zealot is Judge Roy Moore with his ten commandments displayed at the Alabama courthouse. There must be thousands, if not millions, of such lunatics in this country, even as I write this.


If Judge Roy has presented them as Ten Suggestions for health and happiness no one would have objected.

It is not yet a crime in the U.S. to be a religious enthusiast....


The courts beg to differ, as he had placed the Biblical commandments on government property, violating separation of church and state.


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08 Aug 2016, 8:19 pm

F*** Shariah.

Religion should be a private matter, not public policy.



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08 Aug 2016, 8:22 pm

Barchan wrote:
Religion should be a private matter, not public policy.

i couldn't agree more

kudos to you for not just stopping where you started with the question. keep thinking, keep posting. you have good points even when they're still inconsistent


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08 Aug 2016, 9:11 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:
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If Judge Roy has presented them as Ten Suggestions for health and happiness no one would have objected.

It is not yet a crime in the U.S. to be a religious enthusiast....


The courts beg to differ, as he had placed the Biblical commandments on government property, violating separation of church and state.


That was not an indictable offense. The Big Ten were removed per court order. No one was fined. No one was sent to jail.


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08 Aug 2016, 9:14 pm

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Religion should be a private matter, not public policy.


I'm going off this idea, it sounds nice on paper, but I fear it just leaves a power vacuum that will be filled sooner or later. Those who endlessly call for or praise separation of church and state are invariably pushing a belief system of their own, one that they would have dominate the land. I hope I live to see the wolves who demand the shepherd not protect his flock "for secular principles" finding themselves overrun by something much much worse than what existed before.


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08 Aug 2016, 9:25 pm

BaalChatzaf wrote:
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If Judge Roy has presented them as Ten Suggestions for health and happiness no one would have objected.

It is not yet a crime in the U.S. to be a religious enthusiast....


The courts beg to differ, as he had placed the Biblical commandments on government property, violating separation of church and state.


That was not an indictable offense. The Big Ten were removed per court order. No one was fined. No one was sent to jail.


Yeah, but they still made him remove those two rock slabs, because it clashes with separation of church and state.


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08 Aug 2016, 9:26 pm

Mikah wrote:
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Religion should be a private matter, not public policy.


I'm going off this idea, it sounds nice on paper, but I fear it just leaves a power vacuum that will be filled sooner or later. Those who endlessly call for or praise separation of church and state are invariably pushing a belief system of their own, one that they would have dominate the land. I hope I live to see the wolves who demand the shepherd not protect his flock "for secular principles" finding themselves overrun by something much much worse than what existed before.

i think that's the other side of the exact same principle: religion is supposed to be a private matter, not public policy. systematic elimination of religion where there's no need to do it violates that principle. like, "kids are not allowed to wear religious symbols in school" (which iirc is a thing in france). that's a violation of the principle right there. people should be allowed (or sometimes even encouraged) to practice their faith. as long as it doesn't interfere with other people's right to practice their own faith (or no faith)


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08 Aug 2016, 9:42 pm

Mikah wrote:
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Religion should be a private matter, not public policy.


I'm going off this idea, it sounds nice on paper, but I fear it just leaves a power vacuum that will be filled sooner or later. Those who endlessly call for or praise separation of church and state are invariably pushing a belief system of their own, one that they would have dominate the land. I hope I live to see the wolves who demand the shepherd not protect his flock "for secular principles" finding themselves overrun by something much much worse than what existed before.


How does allowing people to practice their religions, yet not having religious based laws push any belief system?


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08 Aug 2016, 10:54 pm

Freedom of religion is not absolute, barbarism should not be tolerated under that guise when it involves minors and special privileges/exceptions.



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09 Aug 2016, 12:19 am

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Freedom of religion is not absolute, barbarism should not be tolerated under that guise when it involves minors and special privileges/exceptions.


Absolutely true. That's why even in the largely evangelical south, snake handling is an illegal religious practice, as too many people got themselves killed.


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09 Aug 2016, 12:21 am

Kraichgauer wrote:
Absolutely true. That's why even in the largely evangelical south, snake handling is an illegal religious practice, as too many people got themselves killed.

today i learned evangelicals like to handle snakes. i did not know that


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09 Aug 2016, 2:36 am

anagram wrote:
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Absolutely true. That's why even in the largely evangelical south, snake handling is an illegal religious practice, as too many people got themselves killed.

today i learned evangelicals like to handle snakes. i did not know that

Its associated with the Appalachians. Handling snakes, and even drinking cups of poison in church to show your faith.

Technically its not "Evangelicals", or "Fundamentalists" who do that. The churches that do that are "Pentecostal". A different movement.



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09 Aug 2016, 4:32 am

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Kraichgauer wrote:
Absolutely true. That's why even in the largely evangelical south, snake handling is an illegal religious practice, as too many people got themselves killed.

today i learned evangelicals like to handle snakes. i did not know that


Only some do. That doesn't make the rest any more sane, though. :lol:


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