Why Men's Issues Matter
If you care so much about men's issues, why don't you advocate for them instead of complaining about how women are advocating for women's issues?
I will lock this thread soon if it continues to be just another excuse to rant about women by the men of Wrong Planet.
I am taking actions to stop this environment of hostility in L&D because it's turning off women (and men as well) from wanting to participate on WP.
Will you also put a stop to women framing the conversation from a anti-man POV? Or is it just going be against men and let feminist do as they please?
I and others including few women have seen this forum going feminism biased for while now and it seems now your just filling supporting feminist only side.
Saying women have right to fear all men cause women get raped more is anti man.
Say it’s sexist tonhave air conditioning on cause women get cold is antiman(men get warm, so not having it on hurts men. Gender differences I guess.)
It’s been suggest men should go to other autism forums. Do you want wrong planet to just be women and feminist? From a pure business side, wrong planets customers like dating sites is mostly men. If all the men leave, less advertisements are seen, advertising gets pulled. I’d like to stay here but it seems the policy’s are being changed to silence and force men off wrongplant. I’ll be looking at other autism forums that hopefully don’t habe a extremely feminist bias. All the mods here are feminist? There’s no balance. Mods are like the Supreme Court of wrongplant. Would you want a all feminist or all conservative Supreme Court? How could such a Court be balanced and fair? How can a all feminist mod team be balanced and fair?
I’ve been here for a long time and I’m constantly worried I’ll be banned last year or so. I worry anything I say will be taken wrong by feminist and I’ll be banned. Yet I see women post things that’d get me warned and it’s ok. It’s not ok to say women, or most women, or lot of women think or do this(even if it’s true) but it’s fine to say men, most men, a lot of men do/think something. It’s fine for feminist to post studies about how horrible men are , but nit ok for men to post any studies even from the federal government or United Nations that may have anything bad to say about women or contradict feminist “studies”
Even if it’s the people who did the feminist studies posted saying that’s not what they mean and that yes their study was bit biased.
Your policies and mods leaves me unable to express my personal struggles and experiences as a weak autistic male cause such experiences go against the dream world of feminism extremists. Is that what you want? For male aspies to feel invalidated for them to feel their experiences are false and lies that they’re just crazy?
There are far more anti women threads on WP lately than there are anti men. I don’t like either of these things. If we have a bad experience with the opposite gender, we should be able to talk about that experience without making sweeping generalizations about the entire male or female population.
Problem is how is something determined anti men or anti women? Often it’s men expressing their experiences with women like myself and those experiences gonagainst an ideal world someone else lives in(no women would do such a thing cause I don’t)
Imagine if every time a woman talks about how guys have harassed her or touched her some mra guy came in and said that’s sexist and no men would do such things and demand her post be removed. Would that be ok?
That’s how I feel I’m treated here, that my experiences are invalid , I’ve had feminist here tell me I’m crazy and making it all up. So I’m crazy or a liar.
The male hating thread are supported never removed, anything feminist decide is female hating is removed and user warned, it’s a clear bias. There’s also far more men on wrongplant then women. Would you still come here if it was just the women left?
In past I was corrected and told instead of saying women do ___ to say most women do blank and thst it wouldn’t be taken as generalization, but mod was wrong feminist decided most=all despite being two different words, is 75% 100%? Is 2/3 3/3 no they’re different things. Most isn’t all. Most is 75% or 2/3 or 3/4 so a lot or most is now same as saying all and thus a generation. But some doesn’t fit with how many women I’ve seen or experiences doing or thinking something and imagine and some will be called out by feminist as some=all. Feminist want to believe women do no wrong, so it’s not saying some most or a lot that matters, even saying 1 woman does wrong would upset them and be found sexist and offensive. I’ve tried to be politically correct as directed and had that found offensive by feminist here. I also am autistic with adhd. I have poor grammar and I make mistake, so I slip up and forget to put some or most before women sometimes, and I’d imagine everyone here by no onos that but rather then be like sly you messed up there I get called misogynistic creep sexist and demanded i be warned and banned. Feminist here just want me gone, my existence goes against their ideas.
Again I’m just a crazy liar. I never lie so I find that highly insulting and now we can’t ven share anything that supports our side or experiences as anything that doesn’t go along feminism is sexist and is allowed on wrongplant anymore.
We are effectively being silenced. If it was going other way I assure you feminist would be throwing a fit. Imagine if Alex and the mods were pro mra and slanted decisions that way and said any pro feminism studies wouldn’t be allowed.
For your knowledge I’ve neber ever said all women ever never not a single time. I was raised by my mom, grandma and older sister that’s it. Didn’t have a grandpa or dad, my uncles came around occasionally. I support equality. I get super sad hearing how women have been rape or molested, 95% of my close friends are women, I just don’t support feminism as in its current form it’s bad even th founders if feminism say it’s lost it’s ways. An equality organization is far better to be in. Feminist completed its goal then had nothing to do so started looking for stuff to find sexist. As one feminist says “everything is sexist” the pay gap has been disproven so many times. The only place it might still happen is executives and I don’t care if some female ceo is paid less then a male ceo. She still make way way way way more then most people. I don’t care abiut inequalaty between th rich elites, I don’t think any of them should make what they make.
Feminism has not nearly “completed its goal.” I really just can’t even go into how far off base that statement is, and I shouldn’t. This thread is about men’s issues. Let’s continue to talk about that.
It’s original goal? Yes met. Women are legally equal by law. 2nd wave/3rd wave goals no they haven’t been met. But whatever. I’d like to hope you don’t see me as the enemy or evil cause I don’t support feminism like other feminist do.
Fine shut me up whatever. There no thread for what we are discussing probably why it keeps coming up in other threads. How dare I talk about my male issues in an. Male issues thread.
Feminism in its purest form is the idea that women should have equal rights. Current feminists are often concerned with issues like domestic violence, consent education, and rape and sexual assault (especially on campuses and in relationships). These things certainly happen to men, but they’re more likely to happen to women. Clearly, it’s noble work. We aren’t a bunch of man haters.
Quite a few of the feminist in high position are concerned with air conditioning in offices, men spreading the legs on buses, shutting down any men’s rights groups, and finding sexisim in anything and everything. Some have said dads are sexists cause women can’t be dads. Equalism is a better movement to be part of since it’s non gender biased.
The way feminist decide to handle college rape is wrong. Example that drunk guy ad girl who had sex both drunk, male got charged with rape, female didn’t. Technically legally they both raped each other since both were not able to give consent. So I say neither should be punished.
You may not but there’s feminist who hate me and even call for them to all be killed or castrated. I’d jump out of that sinking ship if I was you. Feminism has outlived it’s use. Non gender specific rights groups should be supported now. I’m not the biggest fan of mra but as long as feminism exist I want mra to exist to. Atleast they counter each other’s craziness. I’d rather fight for equality for everyone not just one gender or race.
The problem is that whether we like it or not there is gender bias. I don’t think true equality is likely or even possible any time soon. It doesn’t mean I’m not interested in men’s issues. Lots of feminists are interested in gender as a whole as well as LGBT rights.
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Men's problems--mostly caused by other men.
Women's problems--mostly caused by other women.
People use extreme examples of individuals of the opposite sex as examples of sexism but the pressure to conform comes primarily from within the sex therefor most people are unaware of most of the pressure aimed at the opposite sex.
We're all just highly competitive animals. Maybe not 'us' literally because, I don't know whether anyone's noticed, but we're a bit odd.
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It’s not confident to be upset about something that happen at work and want to tell her.
Perhaps you were showing your emotions excessively for her tastes or for general tastes, and maybe there was a grey zone where you could have showed your emotions without seemingly lacking confidence. Not saying that I know so well how to stay in that zone, but I'd imagine that this is how usually things are.
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Assuming we're still allowed to have an actual discussion, I'd like to post a very interesting debate regarding men's issues.
Several viewpoints are represented here, so it should be completely non controversial for me to do so. I'd like in particular for people(especially those occupied with calling me a sexist) to listen to what jordan says starting 38:30, and tell me what you think.
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Several viewpoints are represented here, so it should be completely non controversial for me to do so. I'd like in particular for people(especially those occupied with calling me a sexist) to listen to what jordan says starting 38:30, and tell me what you think.
I agree with what he said, it's not really a "Men's world" , it's an "Elite Men's world" which are very very few, most men are totally powerless in society.
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I got through the intro round at breakfast today and I don't know if I should be embarrassed, maybe it's a sign that I'm just not growing up, but mendacity still shocks and disgusts me and I saw it in spades the moment the guy right after Jordan started talking. Essentially pseudoscience = science I don't like the results of or science that doesn't match my feelings. One of the guys right after that then came in to blur it out with central tendency - ie. saying that people who are evolutionists have one outlook, that people are full tabula rasa social conditioning have another, and that they're both too rigid (which sounds great but it was completely off point in that it was addressing claims neither Jordan nor the other guy made).
I do wonder sometimes what it will take for objectivity to get high-hand on the pendulum with culture again. We need it to stay properly organized and keep debates going forward. Whether someone feels like its cruel for global warming to be a thing if God created the cosmos or people feel like such things as reflexive innate differences in gender (combinations of heredity, hormones, dispositional concern based on physiology, etc.) fly in the face of their pure egalitarian instincts - that's too bad, find some way to assimilate the facts you don't like, figure out what your bottom-line concerns actually are, and then find some way to reorient your concerns into useful action based on the facts that you have available. So long as our best and brightest are stuck arguing with people who take the salad-bar approach to facts I think our public policy will just get jammed. Feelings have a place but they're better served for goal orientation rather than dogmatically clinging to one means of getting there or another.
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Assigning blame for disparities in gender equality is always a thorny issue.
For example, some feminists want to blame men for the pressure society puts on women to be pretty when I know for darned sure that women are just as guilty of tearing other women down for daring to be over-weight/frumpy/ect.
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Assigning blame for disparities in gender equality is always a thorny issue.
For example, some feminists want to blame men for the pressure society puts on women to be pretty when I know for darned sure that women are just as guilty of tearing other women down for daring to be over-weight/frumpy/ect.
I think there’s a lot of pressure put on men and women by society as a whole to live up to gendered expectations.
Young girls feel pressured to shave their legs to be attractive to boys (if they’re straight) and to avoid being teased by their friends who are girls.
There’s pressure to fit in and conform to typical “feminine” and “masculine” preconceptions coming from both women and men.
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I've always considered that how each gender competes for the opposite gender and what gets positive attention from the opposite gender tends to shape a lot of that. What's unfortunate is that it tends to be 'dog eats dog' competition within each gender (technically over who has the right to propagate into the future on their terms) which tends to turn the whole thing rather toxic and draconian.
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Okay, so my experiences in this respect come only from being male ... but think about it. For maybe a few minutes out of the average work-day, I get bagged on about not being 'manly' for having more interest in science and science-fiction than a lot of men have in sports and sporting events. However, once those people go away, I am left to my own thoughts on the matter, which are usually "What the feck do they know" and not "I'm such a loser ... maybe I should hit the gym and learn more about sports".
Peer-pressure is a bad thing, while internal doubts and conflicts are even worse.
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i guess i'm not a normal female human, i've only started wearing make up in my mid 20's (like 2 yrs ago ahaha) and even then i would go outside in my pyjamas and genuinely not give a crap. I also like to look good but for my own vanity or to fit into a theme (lately, K pop is influencing my style a lot!)
i could never relate to girls obsessing over their looks growing up. i was a massive tomboy and generally thought of myself as genderless. I always thought gender was stupid and a boring concept. I disagree with this now as there are some interesting stuff related to it, but i still think people are wayyyyyyy too obsessed about it.
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Okay, so my experiences in this respect come only from being male ... but think about it. For maybe a few minutes out of the average work-day, I get bagged on about not being 'manly' for having more interest in science and science-fiction than a lot of men have in sports and sporting events. However, once those people go away, I am left to my own thoughts on the matter, which are usually "What the feck do they know" and not "I'm such a loser ... maybe I should hit the gym and learn more about sports".
Peer-pressure is a bad thing, while internal doubts and conflicts are even worse.
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I guess my response would be: where do the “internal doubts and conflicts” come from?
Societal pressure isn’t the same thing as peer pressure. It’s probably often more subtle than that. Maybe most young men and women want to conform to societal standards of gender that they see in the media or in the people they are surrounded by.
Most people don’t want to stand out and be different. Probably a lot of us on the spectrum don’t mind nonconformity as much as most.
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People want to be "acceptable"; that is, they do not want to "stand out", be different, or seem weird. Those who perceive themselves as "unacceptable" feel anxiety and self-doubt. People feel anxious until they obtain or achieve what they believe will make them "acceptable". If they aren't "acceptable" no matter what they do, then self-doubt increases, and the cycle starts over.
Thus, we have boys and men getting involved in violence, risky behavior (athletics, drugs, stunts, et cetera), and promiscuity.
The only ways to break this cycle involve (a) accepting one's self, without regard to external influences; (b) eliminate the external influences; or (c) keep trying to improve one's self until there is no doubt as to one's acceptability.
Of course, this is way oversimplified, and probably way off-target; but I simply do not belief that external factors are solely to blame.
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