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05 Apr 2012, 1:43 pm

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It's hard to explain how positive and reassuring it feels to submit to your husband. To me it just feels right! I love and most importantly, Respect my husband. I want to show him that by letting him lead me threw life and obey him in loving biblical submission. I believe, that is the most truest form of showing your love to your husband. I trust him. Not many wives can say that about there husband. (and I just wrote an hour long message to my best friend who was worried that she couldn't trust her husband.) God has put a role in my husbands life to fulfill, And that's leading me and keeping me safe. My husband basically has my life in his hands. I can understand how it would be scary to submit yourself to your husband because you are giving up control and your most intimate part of your self to that man. To me, It is the ultimate sacrifice of love a woman can give a man. And I trust Ragtime because he is a Good Man. He is righteous, rational and loving. I am proud to have him as my husband and I prove that by giving him the reigns in our marriage because he can do it better then I ever could. And I am women enough to admit my natural "faults".

I know that I will not be a good leader because I become irrational a few days out of the month. I am woman enough to understand and admit that I am affected by PMS. PMS is not who I am and I hate it as much as my husband does. It makes me hurt him and makes me feel bad emotionally. Women are emotional creatures. We are different in that sense. Our emotions mostly govern our lives. And sometimes our emotions steer us wrong. And then we end up regretting and feel guilty for what we did. And this is why many women who ask for CDD want it so they can have help controlling there over emotional side. And they want to feel they have a husband who is strong enough to tell her whats what and that what she is doing is wrong for a healthy marriage. And I trust my husband will keep me toward God and with a positive out look on life.

The first time I was spanked it was because I was having a rebellious and fearful attitude toward positive changes that was happening in my life.-Being offered a Job-. My emotions couldn't see threw to how my life would change for the better if I took this opportunity. More money to spend on things I want, Meeting new people and being able to help them using my creativity. Exercise everyday (walking to work only a mile away!) In a field I used to love doing in the past! It was all positive and life progressive work! But my attitude was negative. I wanted to still be lazy at home. I was afraid of how hot it would get in summer. I didn't want to work hard. I didn't want to hear from my husband how "good" the job was. I got so upset that the only way to show how upset I was about the change was to push my feet against Ragtime's chest/side while we we're sitting on the couch talking to me about it. He obviously knew that I wasn't going to understand it just by talking. Since my rebellious self didn't want to even hear it anymore! So he restrained me to the bed and spanked me with his belt until tears weld in my eyes. And I apologized for MY behavior! The next words out of my mouth was about how GOOD it is to get this job! I was even amazed at how natural the words came out! It was like the belt spanked the negative feelings out of me and made me realize how wrong it was to think such negative and selfish thoughts on something so rare as to get a job I've been wanting, in this economy! Before the belt, my mind didn't even want to think about how positive this change will be! No amount of talking from Ragtime would change it. And it went on for days! In the end, I had to FEEL that it was wrong. Women are emotionally ruled. Sometimes being physically corrected is the only way to get threw to them. I love my husband even more because he loved me enough to correct that wrong train of thought! And deep down I knew it was what I needed! I like knowing that my husband can control me when I can't control myself. Because I want the control. I don't like feeling like that, when I can't even see the light at the end of the tunnel because my bad emotions get in the way. I know you all are not going to like me saying this but women, Emotionally, are like children. We don't grow out of tantrums like men do because they are not emotional beings by nature. Sometimes you will have to spank a child because there emotions are governing them in the wrong direction. And having that sudden shock of pain by a displeased hand, resets there train of thought and they learn that what they did was wrong. That is why women can still benefit from being spanked. And I see it in not only myself but my Mom, my aunt, My friends. All the women in my life. They will get in fights with there husbands and boyfriends. Throw tantrums. I see it in my Mom all the time when she fights with my father and step father. She becomes out of control and I felt exactly like her. She is actually crying out for control. She wants to feel that what she is doing is wrong and deep down she knows it but she can't help it because she is being controlled by her emotions. I want to tell her about CDD but we are embarrassed. It's not considered the norm any more. It used to be but feminism actually changed that.

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your post breaks my heart. you are putting your own life in the hands of your husband as you have decided that he should somehow have control over you. your attitude puts yourself below him, as though he is more worthy than you. it actually brought tears to my eyes to read what you wrote.

you may want to familiarise yourself with the Karpman Triangle, as your relationship appears to have the dynamic set forth by that researcher. the only difference is that you feel happy at being oppressed:

http://www.therapyideas.net/triangles.htm

nobody can force you to see that you are just as important as your husband and just as capable at making your own decisions, but i hope that someday you come to understand it.


What? Really don't be sad! ;^ ^ I am very happy in my life! My husband does not abuse me! And I can't make that clear enough :V! If he did he wouldn't let me work. He would make me do things I hated. He wouldn't care about my feelings. He would ignore me. He wouldn't push me to grow in life. I'm actually sad for you because it feels so fulfilling to love someone with such deepness and wanting to show it in it's most raw form as giving your self to your husband and he has done the same for me by working so he can pay rent and buy food for us to eat. Him working is what keeps me alive because I have food to eat and a home. That's what it means when I put my life in his hands because he is Literally keeping me alive! He does so much for me!! And I want to show my love for him by showing him respect and love and cook him delicious meals when he gets home from his stressful job and cleaning the house and keeping myself sexually available to him because it's my way of pulling my weight in the relationship. It's my way of showing my love for him and because of it he loves me even more because he can see that I do what I do because I love him! And not only that, but sex has been amazing ever since!! :D We are equal in our marriage. We just have different roles! I am Ragtime's helpmate in life just like in the bible! He protects me and keep me safe and loved and well taken care of and I help him making his life easier and less stress free by keeping the house clean and fixing food and leading him lead my threw life. Because men already have a lot of stress to deal with besides having to fight a controlling and bitchy woman when they get home. I am just smart enough to realize who I am as a woman and what my life and his mean to each other!


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05 Apr 2012, 1:48 pm

@mirror- It just sounds like you are saying that women need to be told what to do because they are not able to function well when they think for themselves.
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05 Apr 2012, 1:51 pm

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oh, by the way Ragtime... i married a Christian.


Okay. Thanks for letting me know.


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05 Apr 2012, 1:52 pm

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@mirror- It just sounds like you are saying that women need to be told what to do because they are not able to function well when they think for themselves. [mod edit: member changed his post]


OMG! Can't a women be a women!!

The sh*t really has hit the fan on this one! :lol:


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05 Apr 2012, 1:53 pm

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Tolerance of religious practices goes only so far. Some things are simply inexcusable and hiding behind faith is not going to work


Not hiding behind faith, just seeing who's going to hypocritically judge others while claiming not to judge others. I mean, if you judge others, fine -- just admit it. But to say you don't, and then you do it, makes you hypocritical.


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05 Apr 2012, 1:58 pm

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no, i am not attacking your religion. in fact, most Christians do not subscribe to your brand of domestic discipline. YOU used the analogy of a team, but you are not playing on the team together. you are making the calls. a teammate doesn't do that.


No, we signal back and forth to each other, just like the players do. We each take turns signaling, and watching and listening to the signals. You seem to think this is all one way, when cues are both taken and given by both of us. I need her, and she needs me, just like the players on a team. You seem to imagine that I have disrespect for my wife. If you buy into modern societal b.s., I can see why you'd think that, but you are mistaken. I love and respect my wife highly! That's why I chose her, and vice versa. My wife actually increased my natural dominance as she saw fit. She is the one who turned it up, and it pleased and still pleases her.

I mean, ya know, none of this is anyone's business but ours, but I thought people in this thread might like an exchange of views.


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05 Apr 2012, 1:59 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Tolerance of religious practices goes only so far. Some things are simply inexcusable and hiding behind faith is not going to work


Not hiding behind faith, just seeing who's going to hypocritically judge others while claiming not to judge others. I mean, if you judge others, fine -- just admit it. But to say you don't, and then you do it, makes you hypocritical.


You are absolutely hiding behind your faith. Don't put words in my mouth. Clearly I am making a judgement of a situation I consider ethically absurd and somewhat depressing. I have never stated otherwise. Everyone judges. People that pretend not to are the hypocrites.


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05 Apr 2012, 2:00 pm

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no, i am not attacking your religion. in fact, most Christians do not subscribe to your brand of domestic discipline. YOU used the analogy of a team, but you are not playing on the team together. you are making the calls. a teammate doesn't do that.


No, we signal back and forth to each other, just like the players do. We each take turns signaling, and watching and listening to the signals. You seem to think this is all one way, when cues are both taken and given by both of us. I need her, and she needs me, just like the players on a team. You seem to image that I have disrespect for my wife. If you buy into modern societal b.s., I can see why you'd think that, but you are mistaken. I love and respect my wife highly! That's why I chose her, and vice versa.

I mean, ya know, none of this is anyone's business but ours, but I thought people in this thread might like an exchange of views.

you expect her to defer and submit to you. that is not equal.


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05 Apr 2012, 2:01 pm

Gloria Steinem is a feminist and she is worth a read her books are great.



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05 Apr 2012, 2:03 pm

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no, i am not attacking your religion. in fact, most Christians do not subscribe to your brand of domestic discipline. YOU used the analogy of a team, but you are not playing on the team together. you are making the calls. a teammate doesn't do that.


No, we signal back and forth to each other, just like the players do. We each take turns signaling, and watching and listening to the signals. You seem to think this is all one way, when cues are both taken and given by both of us. I need her, and she needs me, just like the players on a team. You seem to image that I have disrespect for my wife. If you buy into modern societal b.s., I can see why you'd think that, but you are mistaken. I love and respect my wife highly! That's why I chose her, and vice versa.

I mean, ya know, none of this is anyone's business but ours, but I thought people in this thread might like an exchange of views.

you expect her to defer and submit to you. that is not equal.


See my edited version. Summary: my wife LIKES it this way. SHE asked me to be more dominant.


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05 Apr 2012, 2:05 pm

I do not see how any women or wife would want a man to dominate her in any way shape of form.



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05 Apr 2012, 2:08 pm

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no, i am not attacking your religion. in fact, most Christians do not subscribe to your brand of domestic discipline. YOU used the analogy of a team, but you are not playing on the team together. you are making the calls. a teammate doesn't do that.


No, we signal back and forth to each other, just like the players do. We each take turns signaling, and watching and listening to the signals. You seem to think this is all one way, when cues are both taken and given by both of us. I need her, and she needs me, just like the players on a team. You seem to image that I have disrespect for my wife. If you buy into modern societal b.s., I can see why you'd think that, but you are mistaken. I love and respect my wife highly! That's why I chose her, and vice versa.

I mean, ya know, none of this is anyone's business but ours, but I thought people in this thread might like an exchange of views.

you expect her to defer and submit to you. that is not equal.


I submit to my husband because I want to on very deep levels! It is equal! I am a follower and Ragtime is the leader. It is like yin and yang. We twirl and cup each other equally. But one has to lead like in a dance! It's a very natural feeling! And because of it we have a level of love and trust that is very deep. What love it is to give yourself to your husband! It is a feeling very few women can proudly say!


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05 Apr 2012, 2:11 pm

Not a lot of women do that though but I'm glad your happy with your husband :D



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05 Apr 2012, 2:11 pm

Mirror wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
no, i am not attacking your religion. in fact, most Christians do not subscribe to your brand of domestic discipline. YOU used the analogy of a team, but you are not playing on the team together. you are making the calls. a teammate doesn't do that.


No, we signal back and forth to each other, just like the players do. We each take turns signaling, and watching and listening to the signals. You seem to think this is all one way, when cues are both taken and given by both of us. I need her, and she needs me, just like the players on a team. You seem to image that I have disrespect for my wife. If you buy into modern societal b.s., I can see why you'd think that, but you are mistaken. I love and respect my wife highly! That's why I chose her, and vice versa.

I mean, ya know, none of this is anyone's business but ours, but I thought people in this thread might like an exchange of views.

you expect her to defer and submit to you. that is not equal.


I submit to my husband because I want to on very deep levels! It is equal! I am a follower and Ragtime is the leader. It is like yin and yang. We twirl and cup each other equally. But one has to lead like in a dance! It's a very natural feeling! And because of it we have a level of love and trust that is very deep. What love it is to give yourself to your husband! It is a feeling very few women can proudly say!

it doesn't sound healthy to me because it is based on a power differential underpinned by the assumption that you are not as worthy of making decisions for yourself. you have put yourself down and your husband up.


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05 Apr 2012, 2:12 pm

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I do not see how any women or wife would want a man to dominate her in any way shape of form.



Well, for all your claims to be able to think like a woman..........I guess there are some things about women, or at least certain women that you will never understand. Most women like dominant men.



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I do not see how any women or wife would want a man to dominate her in any way shape of form.



Well, for all your claims to be able to think like a woman..........I guess there are some things about women, or at least certain women that you will never understand. Most women like dominant men.

can you provide some evidence that most women like dominant men?


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