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05 Apr 2012, 3:04 pm

i get help from my daughter with reaching things (she'd tall) and i open my own jars. i don't know why i would need a male to help with those things specifically.


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05 Apr 2012, 3:05 pm

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I don't care if other women want to submit to men in one way or another. All I know is that I sure 'aint, and I don't want anyone else to be forced to, or even expected to, because it's the 'natural' way. So much of my natural ways of feeling and being seem to say 'balls to nature', which is funny since they come naturally to me. :lol:


I don't see how behavior that is only a few thousand years old could be considered "natural", unless you think the world is only a few thousand years old.. oh, wait


If something makes you happy, then why do you need to justify it with a claim to its 'naturalness'? Surely pleasure is its own justification? The only reason I can think of for trotting out the 'it's nature's way' argument, is to try to persuade everyone to do the same thing. Sod people who think they've found the 'one true way'.


Yes exactly which is why I think it is BS when these people say they are not trying to promote it as the only logical path


I agree.



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05 Apr 2012, 3:05 pm

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Get your nipple clamps on!


Way ahead of you darling


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05 Apr 2012, 3:06 pm

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i get help from my daughter with reaching things (she'd tall) and i open my own jars. i don't know why i would need a male to help with those things specifically.


Besides boinking isn't opening stuff all we're going for?


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05 Apr 2012, 3:07 pm

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I just can't understand such a relationship in the 21century if it was BC or AD or BCE times then yeah I could but the fact is it's the year 2012 things are a lot diffrent now and women have rights an don't have to depend on men for thing's as simple as opening a jar or getting things off the top shelf.


If you're short and suck at opening jars.......it might make more sense, but I would not say I would need a man specifically to help, if a female friend is around and can reach what I can't or open the jar then they are free to help. But it just so happens usually my male friend is the strongest and tallest one at his house so he has the most superior jar opening skills and can reach everything in the cupboards. lol

pretty much what i said too. i know you're little and probably have tiny hands too, so it makes sense to ask for help from someone.


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05 Apr 2012, 3:08 pm

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i get help from my daughter with reaching things (she'd tall) and i open my own jars. i don't know why i would need a male to help with those things specifically.


Besides boinking isn't opening stuff all we're going for?

no, you're also good for... for... ummmm.... well...


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05 Apr 2012, 3:10 pm

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i get help from my daughter with reaching things (she'd tall) and i open my own jars. i don't know why i would need a male to help with those things specifically.


Since he's the only other soul in the house it makes sense to ask for his help! :V But you see what I'm trying to show is I am not some oppressed, lowly thing that exists only for his soul sadistic pleasure! Our marriage is Biblical in design. For toughs who have studied and read the bible you will know that it's not some horrible oppressive thing. If Ragtime mistreats me in any way he will have to answer to God. He is under strict, loving rules on how to treat me! That is why I trust him because God is working threw him for me!


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05 Apr 2012, 3:11 pm

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Get your nipple clamps on!


Way ahead of you darling


You think of everything, damnit.


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05 Apr 2012, 3:12 pm

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I just can't understand such a relationship in the 21century if it was BC or AD or BCE times then yeah I could but the fact is it's the year 2012 things are a lot diffrent now and women have rights an don't have to depend on men for thing's as simple as opening a jar or getting things off the top shelf.


This is very interesting... You see it as a weakness for a spouse to ask for his/her spouse's help with something. As if the asking spouse loses something in the process. If we weren't a team, but completely independent individuals, that might be true. But since we are a team, we do for each other, are glad to, and don't respect each other any less because of this.

You know, it is actually a sign of personal maturity to ask someone you trust for help if you can use the help. You're showing that you are secure in yourself, and that you don't need to prove anything to anyone.


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05 Apr 2012, 3:14 pm

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i get help from my daughter with reaching things (she'd tall) and i open my own jars. i don't know why i would need a male to help with those things specifically.


Didn't you mean to put "male" in italics, like it's a dirty word? :lol:

"I don't need a male to help me. I have my daughter. Why would I ask a male?

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05 Apr 2012, 3:15 pm

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I just can't understand such a relationship in the 21century if it was BC or AD or BCE times then yeah I could but the fact is it's the year 2012 things are a lot diffrent now and women have rights an don't have to depend on men for thing's as simple as opening a jar or getting things off the top shelf.


This is very interesting... You see it as a weakness for a spouse to ask for his/her spouse's help with something. As if the asking spouse loses something in the process. If we weren't a team, but completely independent individuals, that might be true. But since we are a team, we do for each other, are glad to, and don't respect each other any less because of this.

You know, it is actually a sign of personal maturity to ask someone you trust for help if you can use the help. You're showing that you are secure in yourself, and that you don't need to prove anything to anyone.


Exactly! That is what I'm trying to show people! I am very secure in my self and role in life! I hold my head up high when we go out because I am confident! I am no longer confused and wanting things that I can't have because they are impossible to obtain because I am pretending to someone I'm not!


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05 Apr 2012, 3:18 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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i get help from my daughter with reaching things (she'd tall) and i open my own jars. i don't know why i would need a male to help with those things specifically.


Didn't you mean to put "male" in italics, like it's a dirty word? :lol:

"I don't need a male to help me. I have my daughter. Why would I ask a male?

/humor

:lol: no, not at all. just don't know why i'd specifically want to ask a male instead of a female to help me. in my circle the men aren't MORE capable than the women at certain things (or vice versa).


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05 Apr 2012, 3:21 pm

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I just can't understand such a relationship in the 21century if it was BC or AD or BCE times then yeah I could but the fact is it's the year 2012 things are a lot diffrent now and women have rights an don't have to depend on men for thing's as simple as opening a jar or getting things off the top shelf.

Which also means they have the right to choose an old style marriage.


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05 Apr 2012, 3:23 pm

It's not necessarily a weakness to ask for help, but it can be. My Grandpa handled all of the finances, and when he lost his mind to dementia, my Grandma fell prey to a scam artist and their nest egg was stollen. Likewise, it's not too unusual to get old men in the ED who haven't washed, fed, or clothed themselves since their wife died- either because they *can't* do it, or because they think that they *shouldn't have to do it* whether they're alone or not. Whatever gender you are, you need to be a whole person. Help is great; dependence is not.



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05 Apr 2012, 3:24 pm

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It's not necessarily a weakness to ask for help, but it can be. My Grandpa handled all of the finances, and when he lost his mind to dementia, my Grandma fell prey to a scam artist and their nest egg was stollen. Likewise, it's not too unusual to get old men in the ED who haven't washed, fed, or clothed themselves since their wife died- either because they *can't* do it, or because they think that they *shouldn't have to do it* whether they're alone or not. Whatever gender you are, you need to be a whole person. Help is great; dependence is not.


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05 Apr 2012, 3:24 pm

My wife broke her glasses once, and wouldn't let me help her. I have more experience than I care to admit fixing tiny parts in tight spaces on model helicopters for hours at a time, but she wouldn't hear of me helping her. She got the soldering iron out and went to town, and fixed them! So ya, she definitely has an independent streak, just like everyone does. I was proud she did it even though it had frustrated her a lot.


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